Quiz/poll: how much would one year be worth to you?
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The correct answer to 1 & 2, of course, is that I am soooo wonderful that it's a privilege for you all to pay to keep me in the comfort I've grown accustomed to. Kneel before Zod.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
The correct answer to 1 & 2, of course, is that I am soooo wonderful that it's a privilege for you all to pay to keep me in the comfort I've grown accustomed to.
I thought that was part of every retiring politician's farewell speech.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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How much would I spend of my money to stay healthy and alive? All of it. How much of my money do I think the government should spend to keep you alive? None of it.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
i'm sure that you'll be first in line to turn down medicare when it offers to pay for your increasingly expensive doctor visits and prescription medications the question was also applicable to private insurance companies which are governed by pretty much the exact same logistics as public insurance companies, but your glib sound bite is certainly in the fine spirit of your american TV news programs
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My government puts a dollar amount on what's called a "quality-adjusted life year." Specifically, there is generally a maximum amount that the government is willing to pay to give a dying person a shot at one more year of quality life. So here's question #1: you're dying. Soon. You have to pay a certain amount of money in order to get one more quality year of life. That means a year of life at roughly the same level of fitness, activity, enjoyment, mobility, etc. that you have now - not in a wheelchair, not in daily excruciating pain, not having constant nausea/vomiting, not walking around with a permanent IV, not intubated and lying in the ICU doped out of your mind. What would that dollar amount be? Try and be realistic - and consider - if that amount of money is more than you have on hand now, how would you raise the rest? Sell your house? Rack up bank loans and let the life insurance pay it off in a year or so? Now, here's question #2. A person that you don't know at all is dying. You are in charge of distributing tax (or insurance) money. How much are you willing to put into making this unknown person live one more quality year of life? I'll post the Canadian government's figure once a few people have weighed in, I don't want to necessarily influence answers one way or another. Sidenote: We're not talking about spending money on fringe treatments like the Tijuana cancer clinics or foot detox baths or anything ridiculous like that. These are for proven treatments - while the real world is rarely so definitive, we can say these hypothetical treatments the money is going towards are 100% effective.
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ict558 wrote:
Appreciated, but it was the GOP that characterised the NHS as a 'Death Panel'.
Silly people This[^] is the death panel, in all its glory. 2/3rds majority in both houses to override any decision, no requirement that the panel be made up of medical personnel, and no review of its activities in the courts. Of course there are people who say things like “Relying on arbitrary spending targets is not a good way to make health policy, especially when decisions may be left to the unelected and unaccountable,” but they're probably more of those silly old G.O.P. types. Oh wait, that was said by the AARP which strongly supported Obamacare and is considered to lean to the left. :confused:
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
How is this "the death panel, in all its glory."? The best argument that I can see is an indirect one. If the panel causes physican payments to go so low that doctors won't see medicare patients, then it's possible that those patients may not receive necessary healthcare. I agree that is a potential concern that could be addressed, but "death panel" is a bit hysterical.
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i'm sure that you'll be first in line to turn down medicare when it offers to pay for your increasingly expensive doctor visits and prescription medications the question was also applicable to private insurance companies which are governed by pretty much the exact same logistics as public insurance companies, but your glib sound bite is certainly in the fine spirit of your american TV news programs
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If the only reason you asked the question (and specifically requested that I answer it) was to make ad hominem attacks on those people with whom you disagreed, wouldn't it have been more in keeping with CP's guidelines to put it in the Backroom? Once again, I leave the last word to you. I'm sure it will be of great comfort.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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How is this "the death panel, in all its glory."? The best argument that I can see is an indirect one. If the panel causes physican payments to go so low that doctors won't see medicare patients, then it's possible that those patients may not receive necessary healthcare. I agree that is a potential concern that could be addressed, but "death panel" is a bit hysterical.
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My government puts a dollar amount on what's called a "quality-adjusted life year." Specifically, there is generally a maximum amount that the government is willing to pay to give a dying person a shot at one more year of quality life. So here's question #1: you're dying. Soon. You have to pay a certain amount of money in order to get one more quality year of life. That means a year of life at roughly the same level of fitness, activity, enjoyment, mobility, etc. that you have now - not in a wheelchair, not in daily excruciating pain, not having constant nausea/vomiting, not walking around with a permanent IV, not intubated and lying in the ICU doped out of your mind. What would that dollar amount be? Try and be realistic - and consider - if that amount of money is more than you have on hand now, how would you raise the rest? Sell your house? Rack up bank loans and let the life insurance pay it off in a year or so? Now, here's question #2. A person that you don't know at all is dying. You are in charge of distributing tax (or insurance) money. How much are you willing to put into making this unknown person live one more quality year of life? I'll post the Canadian government's figure once a few people have weighed in, I don't want to necessarily influence answers one way or another. Sidenote: We're not talking about spending money on fringe treatments like the Tijuana cancer clinics or foot detox baths or anything ridiculous like that. These are for proven treatments - while the real world is rarely so definitive, we can say these hypothetical treatments the money is going towards are 100% effective.
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ict558 wrote:
Appreciated, but it was the GOP that characterised the NHS as a 'Death Panel'.
Silly people This[^] is the death panel, in all its glory. 2/3rds majority in both houses to override any decision, no requirement that the panel be made up of medical personnel, and no review of its activities in the courts. Of course there are people who say things like “Relying on arbitrary spending targets is not a good way to make health policy, especially when decisions may be left to the unelected and unaccountable,” but they're probably more of those silly old G.O.P. types. Oh wait, that was said by the AARP which strongly supported Obamacare and is considered to lean to the left. :confused:
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Very interesting, but you tell me this, why? I could care less about 'Obamacare', and the 'leftness' and 'rightness' of the denizens of that "lobbyist infested cesspool", my reference was to the GOP 'Death Panel' meme of 2009.
Truth, Justice ... or the American way? - Trad.
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Very interesting, but you tell me this, why? I could care less about 'Obamacare', and the 'leftness' and 'rightness' of the denizens of that "lobbyist infested cesspool", my reference was to the GOP 'Death Panel' meme of 2009.
Truth, Justice ... or the American way? - Trad.
ict558 wrote:
I could care less
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My government puts a dollar amount on what's called a "quality-adjusted life year." Specifically, there is generally a maximum amount that the government is willing to pay to give a dying person a shot at one more year of quality life. So here's question #1: you're dying. Soon. You have to pay a certain amount of money in order to get one more quality year of life. That means a year of life at roughly the same level of fitness, activity, enjoyment, mobility, etc. that you have now - not in a wheelchair, not in daily excruciating pain, not having constant nausea/vomiting, not walking around with a permanent IV, not intubated and lying in the ICU doped out of your mind. What would that dollar amount be? Try and be realistic - and consider - if that amount of money is more than you have on hand now, how would you raise the rest? Sell your house? Rack up bank loans and let the life insurance pay it off in a year or so? Now, here's question #2. A person that you don't know at all is dying. You are in charge of distributing tax (or insurance) money. How much are you willing to put into making this unknown person live one more quality year of life? I'll post the Canadian government's figure once a few people have weighed in, I don't want to necessarily influence answers one way or another. Sidenote: We're not talking about spending money on fringe treatments like the Tijuana cancer clinics or foot detox baths or anything ridiculous like that. These are for proven treatments - while the real world is rarely so definitive, we can say these hypothetical treatments the money is going towards are 100% effective.
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For only one year, not much. Say about 5 to 10k. Why, well spending 10k for a year I can do easily and have enough left to actually enjoy that extra year. What good is one more year of life if you have nothing, no house to live in, no money to spend on doing things you enjoy, ...
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Don't go thinking you can marry me for my money. ;P
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Don't go thinking you can marry me for my money. ;P
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Don't go thinking you can marry me for my money. ;-P
I would only marry you for your looks, and cute but. ;P
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Would you buy me nice things?
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Would you buy me nice things?
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That would depend entirely on what you would be prepared to do for them. :)
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Hey, I've already married you for god's sake...
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Hey, I've already married you for god's sake...
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Really? I don't remember a wedding night.... :doh:
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You DO remember the honeymoon though, right?
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You DO remember the honeymoon though, right?
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How could one forget it... Rio, the Cubana Hotel... the fishing boat...
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The canopy of stars...