Mac OSX fonts
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The funny part is, Apple is the company responsible for computers to have a nice looking fonts... Have you used Safari on Windows? I don't know how it is right now but, it used to render everything Mac way even on Windows. To me it looks like Mac has jagged edges on the fonts, it's not anti-aliased properly (On windows you will have the problem if you don't have clear type enabled). [joke] We all know that font rendering was not important at all, all you wanted was to brag about your new Mac [/joke] :)
Rutvik Dave wrote:
We all know that font rendering was not important at all, all you wanted was to brag about your new Mac
Yes, I'm proud to have spent twice as much on underpowered hardware. But it sure is pretty. Mmm, aluminum. Seriously though, I got it to dip into some iOS development, and it is the first time I've been excited about a new computer in about 10 years, carpy fonts and all. It has made me nostalgic for the days when I ran Linux as my main OS, oddly enough. I got a funny tingling sensation when I ran emacs in the bash terminal window.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
We all know that font rendering was not important at all, all you wanted was to brag about your new Mac
Yes, I'm proud to have spent twice as much on underpowered hardware. But it sure is pretty. Mmm, aluminum. Seriously though, I got it to dip into some iOS development, and it is the first time I've been excited about a new computer in about 10 years, carpy fonts and all. It has made me nostalgic for the days when I ran Linux as my main OS, oddly enough. I got a funny tingling sensation when I ran emacs in the bash terminal window.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
Indeed it's the best hardware... and now the price is not that insane as it used to be. My friend has started iOS development, he is very good at programming but still he was telling me that, there is a steep learning curve... I saw some code he wrote and I was surprised how different objective C is, I was thinking it will be a meeting point between C and C++. Anyways happy coding... :)
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David Kentley wrote:
It's an LCD, so not much to focus there.
It could be using an analog connection? I doubt it though. But particularly* on LCD's it can cause displays to be very blurry, even more so having dual monitors. * wow can't believe I spelt that right the first go, I never get it! :)
leppie wrote:
It could be using an analog connection? I doubt it though. But particularly* on LCD's it can cause displays to be very blurry, even more so having dual monitors.
Maybe on cheap LCDs at high resolutions but not otherwise. My dell 1280x1024 never had issues, and my NEC 1600x1200 panel apparently ran in analog mode over a DVI-I cable for over a year before I realized it and only by accident when I was investigating weirdness related to where the image was appearing on the panel (Bejeweled Blitz was causing about 10x the normal spazzing that windows does any time a full screen app on a display other than the leftmost changes resolution and somehow about one time in three when everything settled out the rightmost display, which was running analog, ended up dropping its image by about 20 pixels and cutting off the bottom of whatever it was displaying.)
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David Kentley wrote:
It's an LCD, so not much to focus there.
It could be using an analog connection? I doubt it though. But particularly* on LCD's it can cause displays to be very blurry, even more so having dual monitors. * wow can't believe I spelt that right the first go, I never get it! :)
leppie wrote:
It could be using an analog connection?
<Apple d-bag> You think a Mac would ship with an *analog* display output these days? </Apple d-bag> I'm surprised it even works with a non Apple display. Yes, now that I own a Mac I feel I am allowed to make fun of them as much as I've wanted to all these years.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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Indeed it's the best hardware... and now the price is not that insane as it used to be. My friend has started iOS development, he is very good at programming but still he was telling me that, there is a steep learning curve... I saw some code he wrote and I was surprised how different objective C is, I was thinking it will be a meeting point between C and C++. Anyways happy coding... :)
There's a reason it's called "Objective" C - because C programmers Object to it!
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So my Mac arrived over the weekend, my first ever Mac, and I have a question: Will I ever get used to the fuzzy font rendering? For those of you who primarily use Macs, when you switch to Windows 7, do you think it's ugly, or do you think, "Wow, I DON'T need glasses!" Because right now, I don't see how anyone could prefer Mac's font rendering. I understand it's a different philosophy, to not worry about such physical constraints as pixels on a screen, but it only looks good at 300dpi or so which, alas, is not common on screens bigger than 4". And Microsoft's adherence to actual pixels would look just as good on such a display anyway. If you're on Windows, you can experience the joy of Apple's font rendering in Safari, as long as you don't have "Windows Standard" selected in font smoothing. (There are four other options - the same present in OSX - and none of them look good.) I have to say, of all the things I thought Windows would be better at, font rendering was not on the list.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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So my Mac arrived over the weekend, my first ever Mac, and I have a question: Will I ever get used to the fuzzy font rendering? For those of you who primarily use Macs, when you switch to Windows 7, do you think it's ugly, or do you think, "Wow, I DON'T need glasses!" Because right now, I don't see how anyone could prefer Mac's font rendering. I understand it's a different philosophy, to not worry about such physical constraints as pixels on a screen, but it only looks good at 300dpi or so which, alas, is not common on screens bigger than 4". And Microsoft's adherence to actual pixels would look just as good on such a display anyway. If you're on Windows, you can experience the joy of Apple's font rendering in Safari, as long as you don't have "Windows Standard" selected in font smoothing. (There are four other options - the same present in OSX - and none of them look good.) I have to say, of all the things I thought Windows would be better at, font rendering was not on the list.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
I have a Mac at work and a PC at home. I've never had a problem with the Mac's fonts, and have always considered its font rendering superior. It just looks more like text and less like pixelated bitmaps of characters. The thing I love about Mac font rendering is every page looks like a Photoshop-rendered graphic. I mean look at this: http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2215/screenshot20110817at100.png That's just a screen clip from the web page linked to above. Isn't it beautiful?
Sad but true: 4/3 of Americans have difficulty with simple fractions. There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't. {o,o}.oO( Check out my blog! ) |)””’) http://pihole.org/ -”-”-
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So my Mac arrived over the weekend, my first ever Mac, and I have a question: Will I ever get used to the fuzzy font rendering? For those of you who primarily use Macs, when you switch to Windows 7, do you think it's ugly, or do you think, "Wow, I DON'T need glasses!" Because right now, I don't see how anyone could prefer Mac's font rendering. I understand it's a different philosophy, to not worry about such physical constraints as pixels on a screen, but it only looks good at 300dpi or so which, alas, is not common on screens bigger than 4". And Microsoft's adherence to actual pixels would look just as good on such a display anyway. If you're on Windows, you can experience the joy of Apple's font rendering in Safari, as long as you don't have "Windows Standard" selected in font smoothing. (There are four other options - the same present in OSX - and none of them look good.) I have to say, of all the things I thought Windows would be better at, font rendering was not on the list.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
I've never had an issue with font display an Macs (or should that be "Ive" - Johnny? Geddit? Oh, never mind...) Reading this page on my 27" iMac from the other side of the room (because I can) and you could slice tomatoes with it it's that sharp... Been using Macs for nearly 20 years though, so guess it's just something you get used to, but I'll be sure to check it out next time I'm on a Dozer. Danny
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So my Mac arrived over the weekend, my first ever Mac, and I have a question: Will I ever get used to the fuzzy font rendering? For those of you who primarily use Macs, when you switch to Windows 7, do you think it's ugly, or do you think, "Wow, I DON'T need glasses!" Because right now, I don't see how anyone could prefer Mac's font rendering. I understand it's a different philosophy, to not worry about such physical constraints as pixels on a screen, but it only looks good at 300dpi or so which, alas, is not common on screens bigger than 4". And Microsoft's adherence to actual pixels would look just as good on such a display anyway. If you're on Windows, you can experience the joy of Apple's font rendering in Safari, as long as you don't have "Windows Standard" selected in font smoothing. (There are four other options - the same present in OSX - and none of them look good.) I have to say, of all the things I thought Windows would be better at, font rendering was not on the list.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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There's a reason it's called "Objective" C - because C programmers Object to it!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Very nice! Oh and for my part, you could add C++ and C# programmers. ;)
'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood
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David1987 wrote:
Every kind of font smoothing is fugly in its own unique way.
That is probably the truth of the matter. After playing with it some more (I'm getting OCD over this), The Mac Way definitely looks much better on large fonts. But the problem is, anything I spend a lot of time reading on the web is in small fonts. Those suffer. Particularly lowercase e's in most fonts. I am more used to it today than I was yesterday, and I expect I will one day no longer think about it, but for rendering on the screen I think MS's compromise makes much more sense. For publishing, you of course want to respect the font rather than the pixel grid, but then you're talking about a grid (on the paper) with 1200 dpi, rather than the 90 dpi you get on a normal desktop monitor.
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I use a 13" MBP, and then Windows 7 on dual monitors at work. I know the two have different font rendering models, but in two years it hasn't crossed my mind once. You might just be overly sensitive to it right now because you're thinking of it.
DoctorOwl wrote:
I use a 13" MBP, and then Windows 7 on dual monitors at work.
What resolution does your 13" MPB have? I suspect it translates to a pretty high dpi, which makes the Mac method look much better, downright beautiful if the dpi is high enough (judging from the iPhone 4). But that is not the case with any larger desktop monitors on the market, unfortunately.
DoctorOwl wrote:
You might just be overly sensitive to it right now because you're thinking of it.
That is definitely the case. I use Windows and Linux all day at work, but now the Mac will be what I use most of the time at home. I'm sure it'll stop bugging me so much, but I think I'll always be wishing it was better.
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So my Mac arrived over the weekend, my first ever Mac, and I have a question: Will I ever get used to the fuzzy font rendering? For those of you who primarily use Macs, when you switch to Windows 7, do you think it's ugly, or do you think, "Wow, I DON'T need glasses!" Because right now, I don't see how anyone could prefer Mac's font rendering. I understand it's a different philosophy, to not worry about such physical constraints as pixels on a screen, but it only looks good at 300dpi or so which, alas, is not common on screens bigger than 4". And Microsoft's adherence to actual pixels would look just as good on such a display anyway. If you're on Windows, you can experience the joy of Apple's font rendering in Safari, as long as you don't have "Windows Standard" selected in font smoothing. (There are four other options - the same present in OSX - and none of them look good.) I have to say, of all the things I thought Windows would be better at, font rendering was not on the list.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
What is your display device? iMac 27", Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, Macbook, Cinema 27", one of the 24"? What resolution are you using it in? I have quite a few Macs and I don't see that at all on mine.
ragnaroknrol: Yes, but comparing a rabid wolverine gnawing on your face while stabbing you with a fountain pen to Vista is likely to make the wolverine look good, so it isn't exactly that big of a compliment.
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I have a Mac at work and a PC at home. I've never had a problem with the Mac's fonts, and have always considered its font rendering superior. It just looks more like text and less like pixelated bitmaps of characters. The thing I love about Mac font rendering is every page looks like a Photoshop-rendered graphic. I mean look at this: http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2215/screenshot20110817at100.png That's just a screen clip from the web page linked to above. Isn't it beautiful?
Sad but true: 4/3 of Americans have difficulty with simple fractions. There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't. {o,o}.oO( Check out my blog! ) |)””’) http://pihole.org/ -”-”-
I agree, font rendering on my Mac has always seemed superior to me than font rendering on my PC, the result far more readable, and only once have I seen any fuzziness or 'jagged edges'. I struck an issue a while back where OS X wouldn't apply any font smoothing with a particular third-party monitor (a Dell, I think), because it wasn't correctly identifying itself as an LCD flat panel. So, my question would be: what make and model of monitor are you using, and does it supply the correct info to the computer?
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Very nice! Oh and for my part, you could add C++ and C# programmers. ;)
'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood
You can add me, too! The whole 'square-bracket-colon-delimited-parameter' thing is enough to drive me to tears!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Indeed it's the best hardware... and now the price is not that insane as it used to be. My friend has started iOS development, he is very good at programming but still he was telling me that, there is a steep learning curve... I saw some code he wrote and I was surprised how different objective C is, I was thinking it will be a meeting point between C and C++. Anyways happy coding... :)
