It took us 3 years to figure this out?
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I think I saw a special a while back and they said the ISS toilet was in the millions. Figures with inflation.
Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I think I saw a special a while back and they said the ISS toilet was in the millions.
That's because it sucks - literally.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
:laugh: :laugh: What a shitty deal.
Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants.
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Remember the $25,000 toilet? I think that was pre-sixties, when 25K was an excellent yearly salary.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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Oakman wrote:
$25,000 toilet?
No matter how expensive it is, it's gonna be used for only one purpose.
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I don't think this is anything new we've always had corruption such as the $1000 hammer. There's been jokes about that as long as I can remember.
Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants.
No one ever looks at why those things cost so much. Simple, really. Regulations, over-specification, the wrong people doing the contracts. A gazillion dollar coffee pot? Well, see, they (the contracting office) specified that it must be able to withstand ridiculously high G-forces. Never mind that the plane couldn't, never mond that the people in the plane couldn't. The manufacturer had to make sure it could meet the specs...and that adds to the cost. Likewise hammers, toilet seats, and the rest. All over-specified by people who a) are clueless and b) aren't the ones useing the end-product. NOT the contractors fault, other than in that they accepted the contract and took the money.
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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No one ever looks at why those things cost so much. Simple, really. Regulations, over-specification, the wrong people doing the contracts. A gazillion dollar coffee pot? Well, see, they (the contracting office) specified that it must be able to withstand ridiculously high G-forces. Never mind that the plane couldn't, never mond that the people in the plane couldn't. The manufacturer had to make sure it could meet the specs...and that adds to the cost. Likewise hammers, toilet seats, and the rest. All over-specified by people who a) are clueless and b) aren't the ones useing the end-product. NOT the contractors fault, other than in that they accepted the contract and took the money.
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
GenJerDan wrote:
NOT the contractors fault, other than in that they accepted the contract and took the money.
I go along with you until that line. The contractor, I suspect loves to see costs pushed through the roof - that means their admin and support costs can be re-figured as well, without adding too much to their actual expenditures in this area.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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No one ever looks at why those things cost so much. Simple, really. Regulations, over-specification, the wrong people doing the contracts. A gazillion dollar coffee pot? Well, see, they (the contracting office) specified that it must be able to withstand ridiculously high G-forces. Never mind that the plane couldn't, never mond that the people in the plane couldn't. The manufacturer had to make sure it could meet the specs...and that adds to the cost. Likewise hammers, toilet seats, and the rest. All over-specified by people who a) are clueless and b) aren't the ones useing the end-product. NOT the contractors fault, other than in that they accepted the contract and took the money.
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
GenJerDan wrote:
A gazillion dollar coffee pot? Well, see, they (the contracting office) specified that it must be able to withstand ridiculously high G-forces. Never mind that the plane couldn't, never mond that the people in the
I know the requirements are ridiculous in a lot of cases and drives the price up.
C'est What?
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I think I saw a special a while back and they said the ISS toilet was in the millions.
That's because it sucks - literally.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
With things floating around up there, s**t could it a fan - literally.
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No one ever looks at why those things cost so much. Simple, really. Regulations, over-specification, the wrong people doing the contracts. A gazillion dollar coffee pot? Well, see, they (the contracting office) specified that it must be able to withstand ridiculously high G-forces. Never mind that the plane couldn't, never mond that the people in the plane couldn't. The manufacturer had to make sure it could meet the specs...and that adds to the cost. Likewise hammers, toilet seats, and the rest. All over-specified by people who a) are clueless and b) aren't the ones useing the end-product. NOT the contractors fault, other than in that they accepted the contract and took the money.
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
Well you're arguably half-right anyway. The toilet seats were wierd requirements, the hammers just a paperwork oddity. For anyone who doesn't know the story behind those items: The toilet seat was made out of non-standard materials (orange throughout the volume (paint could scrape off) and capable of floating for several months to do double duty by also serving as a crash marker), of non-standard size (wasn't room for a normal toilet), and ordered in sufficiently low volume that they were handmade. This story eventually ended with the congresscritters (who called the vendor in to explain itself in a hearing) praising the vendor for managing to meet such a complex set of requirements at as low of a cost as they did. The hammers were just a case of weird federal reporting requirements. Specifically that the fee the vendor is allowed to charge for selecting products was spread equally across all items instead of being weighted by cost. eg I'm hiring you as my personal shopper to buy me a $20 hammer and the best used car you can find for $19980; and provide documentation explaining your selection. For your services I'll pay you a 10% fee or $2000. In a normal world most people would look at this and conclude the 10% fee added $2 to the price of the hammer, and $1998 to the price of the car. In federal procurement land however the hammer cost $1020, and the car $20980. This is the sort of procurement contract (combined with epic fail PR/damage control) responsible for the hammer story. No idea if the procurement rules were ever changed afterwards to not look retarted.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I think I saw a special a while back and they said the ISS toilet was in the millions. Figures with inflation.
Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants.
Material cost: $1,000 Construction cost: $1,000 Delivery cost: $2,000,000
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Material cost: $1,000 Construction cost: $1,000 Delivery cost: $2,000,000
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
And the factory is right next to the base. :)
C'est What?
