Americans and politics
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You know it often strikes me just how much Americans care about politics; it is discussed a lot on CP. Personally, as a cynical European, I just don't give a toss really. I don't think I ever voted more than once because whoever you vote for, you still get the same corrupt wankers in govt. and nothing much chamges for the man in the street.
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You know it often strikes me just how much Americans care about politics; it is discussed a lot on CP. Personally, as a cynical European, I just don't give a toss really. I don't think I ever voted more than once because whoever you vote for, you still get the same corrupt wankers in govt. and nothing much chamges for the man in the street.
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How about if by failing to vote you let a government get in that takes away your choices? I would urge anyone who can vote, to do so. There are a lot of people in this world who would dearly love to be able to have a say, no mater how minor, in the way their lives are regulated. Democracy is a flawed system and yet it is the best way we have for ensuring self determination in a modern society.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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How about if by failing to vote you let a government get in that takes away your choices? I would urge anyone who can vote, to do so. There are a lot of people in this world who would dearly love to be able to have a say, no mater how minor, in the way their lives are regulated. Democracy is a flawed system and yet it is the best way we have for ensuring self determination in a modern society.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
There are a lot of people in this world who would dearly love to be able to have a say, no mater how minor, in the way their lives are regulated. Democracy is a flawed system and yet it is the best way we have for ensuring self determination in a modern society.
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system. And in fact appreciated by the common man.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
There are a lot of people in this world who would dearly love to be able to have a say, no mater how minor, in the way their lives are regulated. Democracy is a flawed system and yet it is the best way we have for ensuring self determination in a modern society.
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system. And in fact appreciated by the common man.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
[T]he best way we have for ensuring self determination [...]
Eric_V wrote:
[A]n enlightened despot is the best system.
Pray tell, how can a despot, enlightened or not, ensure self determination? By this I am referring to the people, not the state, having a choice.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
[T]he best way we have for ensuring self determination [...]
Eric_V wrote:
[A]n enlightened despot is the best system.
Pray tell, how can a despot, enlightened or not, ensure self determination? By this I am referring to the people, not the state, having a choice.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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How about if by failing to vote you let a government get in that takes away your choices? I would urge anyone who can vote, to do so. There are a lot of people in this world who would dearly love to be able to have a say, no mater how minor, in the way their lives are regulated. Democracy is a flawed system and yet it is the best way we have for ensuring self determination in a modern society.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Won't happen that easily (although it did happen before). But in Europe it really doesn't matter who you vote for. There are so many small parties that the winning party needs to compromise so much that they cannot execute their program anyway. In Belgium, after more then one year we still don't have a government and the one they're trying to form takes up 7 (!) parties. X|
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
There are a lot of people in this world who would dearly love to be able to have a say, no mater how minor, in the way their lives are regulated. Democracy is a flawed system and yet it is the best way we have for ensuring self determination in a modern society.
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system. And in fact appreciated by the common man.
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Eric_V wrote:
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system.
I have always said that.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
There are a lot of people in this world who would dearly love to be able to have a say, no mater how minor, in the way their lives are regulated. Democracy is a flawed system and yet it is the best way we have for ensuring self determination in a modern society.
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system. And in fact appreciated by the common man.
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Eric_V wrote:
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system.
When I was in the middle school our History teacher used to say that he as a Historian is amused how many people for how long has believed in the fairy-tale for the “Good King”.
There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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You know it often strikes me just how much Americans care about politics; it is discussed a lot on CP. Personally, as a cynical European, I just don't give a toss really. I don't think I ever voted more than once because whoever you vote for, you still get the same corrupt wankers in govt. and nothing much chamges for the man in the street.
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Politics are entwinned in our lives. Due to politics you can or can't do things that you would like/need to do. Many people get too caught up in it. Many people are deceived by a party or its leaders. It may appear that your vote doesn't matter, because both (well atleast in the US it is more often than not 2 parties) are wankers. However, one wanker wants to screw you today while the other wants to screw you tomorrow. One wants to screw your parents and the other wants to screw your children. You just have to make a decision on whom you think can handle getting screwed. And don't forget to screw them back when ever you get the chance.... Cause the fact remains, they are wankers. And a good way to screw them over is by voting for some other wanker :-D
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Eric_V wrote:
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system.
I have always said that.
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Won't happen that easily (although it did happen before). But in Europe it really doesn't matter who you vote for. There are so many small parties that the winning party needs to compromise so much that they cannot execute their program anyway. In Belgium, after more then one year we still don't have a government and the one they're trying to form takes up 7 (!) parties. X|
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Bien sûr!
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Politics are entwinned in our lives. Due to politics you can or can't do things that you would like/need to do. Many people get too caught up in it. Many people are deceived by a party or its leaders. It may appear that your vote doesn't matter, because both (well atleast in the US it is more often than not 2 parties) are wankers. However, one wanker wants to screw you today while the other wants to screw you tomorrow. One wants to screw your parents and the other wants to screw your children. You just have to make a decision on whom you think can handle getting screwed. And don't forget to screw them back when ever you get the chance.... Cause the fact remains, they are wankers. And a good way to screw them over is by voting for some other wanker :-D
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
voting for some other wanker
I want a 'no govt' voting option. Just scrap it entirely and let the civil service run the country on the established laws. :)
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I think the laws and such can all go to a full blown democracy. The reason the republic was created was people could not all be involved. The internet has changed that. It could be a simple process that allows voting or not. Something like you have to "view" certain materials before allowed to vote on the topic (like you have to actually view the proposed law change etc...) The numbers of passing laws could be based on total population and allowed voters. In this way just because a group of people is knowledgable about the topic they can not get laws through with out making the populace aware of the topics etc. I saw politicians are a thing of the passed. Throw them to the curb a long with their complicated beuracracy. Wipe the laws and start over. Wipe the tax system and start over. Its a different world and we the people need to lock our control of it and never let individuals have too much power.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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You know it often strikes me just how much Americans care about politics; it is discussed a lot on CP. Personally, as a cynical European, I just don't give a toss really. I don't think I ever voted more than once because whoever you vote for, you still get the same corrupt wankers in govt. and nothing much chamges for the man in the street.
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In Chicago, the tradition is to vote early and vote often, for the same election of course.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
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Eric_V wrote:
Actually an enlightened despot is the best system.
When I was in the middle school our History teacher used to say that he as a Historian is amused how many people for how long has believed in the fairy-tale for the “Good King”.
There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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I think the laws and such can all go to a full blown democracy. The reason the republic was created was people could not all be involved. The internet has changed that. It could be a simple process that allows voting or not. Something like you have to "view" certain materials before allowed to vote on the topic (like you have to actually view the proposed law change etc...) The numbers of passing laws could be based on total population and allowed voters. In this way just because a group of people is knowledgable about the topic they can not get laws through with out making the populace aware of the topics etc. I saw politicians are a thing of the passed. Throw them to the curb a long with their complicated beuracracy. Wipe the laws and start over. Wipe the tax system and start over. Its a different world and we the people need to lock our control of it and never let individuals have too much power.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
yeah, scrap govt. all it is there for is changing laws. and replace it with internet voting. say someone wants a new law, he produces an srgument, in the form of a documentart, shows it on tv, the internet, etc, and those interested vote. simple, fair, cheap
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
our History teacher
He was an idiot then. :)
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He was a bright guy who told us that he wants duels to be legal again. :) Edit: Typo
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modified on Friday, September 2, 2011 6:24 PM
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yeah, scrap govt. all it is there for is changing laws. and replace it with internet voting. say someone wants a new law, he produces an srgument, in the form of a documentart, shows it on tv, the internet, etc, and those interested vote. simple, fair, cheap
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You know it often strikes me just how much Americans care about politics; it is discussed a lot on CP. Personally, as a cynical European, I just don't give a toss really. I don't think I ever voted more than once because whoever you vote for, you still get the same corrupt wankers in govt. and nothing much chamges for the man in the street.
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