Anyone played with VS 11 preview yet
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Cool good to know that you and Beth have not grown old :).
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Cool good to know that you and Beth have not grown old
They got wiser but still stayed young. :-D
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Yep. We loaded it into a VM as soon as it came out to see what they'd broken in the automation model (always the poor relation when a new release comes along). The immediate conclusion is that COM add-in registration in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE (the one we use) is broken, but HKEY_CURRENT_USER (the one we don't use as it's a pain to use for an all-users add-in) is OK. Some gnashing of teeth ensued, but nowhere near as much as happened at VS2010 Beta 1 (or VS2005 beta 1, for that matter). I wrote a short blog post about the add-in stuff last night: Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview[^] As far as features go, so far I'm distinctly underwhelmed; I was hoping for far better C++ 11 support in this release (I mean, how difficult can features such as standards compliant range based for loops be?).
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Small typo - "Hot on the heels..."
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
So you remained because...
I am not a geek/nerd like those guys. Just an ordinary guy who likes food, drinks, family time, movies etc. who codes on the side.
Regards, Nish
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Yeah, right :rolleyes:
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There used to be a time when people here where very enthusiastic about new releases (even the preview releases). The lounge was usually flooded with posts about that release. Now I do not see that anymore. For instance, there has been no post about VS11 preview and not many about Windows 8. I can think of few things:- 1. People here are getting old and tired to try new stuff. 2. People have lost their enthusiasm on Microsoft software. 3. Microsoft is not releasing good quality beta/preview versions 4. There are not enough new and compelling things in the new releases.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I can think of few things:-
1. I have a perfectly fine working set of tools, why would I want to upgrade 2. I don't even use VS2010, and they're coming out with VS11? Why? 3. I don't try beta/preview versions. Waste of time. I get paid to develop working software with tools that my client's company approves. Trying a beta/preview is a waste of time. 4. Tools and products have matured so that they are essentially in the maintenance phase. The "geek" phase of "this huge feature is missing, I can't wait until the next release that includes it" is long gone. 5. There's less of reliance of one vendor to provide everything. Microsoft is not the only God in the development world anymore. Frankly, I find third party updates to components that I use every day, like DevExpress, a lot more useful than Microsoft's tool/product updates. That's my soapbox list. Marc
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There used to be a time when people here where very enthusiastic about new releases (even the preview releases). The lounge was usually flooded with posts about that release. Now I do not see that anymore. For instance, there has been no post about VS11 preview and not many about Windows 8. I can think of few things:- 1. People here are getting old and tired to try new stuff. 2. People have lost their enthusiasm on Microsoft software. 3. Microsoft is not releasing good quality beta/preview versions 4. There are not enough new and compelling things in the new releases.
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I would rather have 5 years of bug fixes in VS2010 than a single new release.
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Small typo - "Hot on the heels..."
Yep, Beth just told me. :doh: Now fixed. :)
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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I would rather have 5 years of bug fixes in VS2010 than a single new release.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
I couldn't agree more.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Yep, Beth just told me. :doh: Now fixed. :)
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
:) Phew, thought I might get halberded!
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Cool good to know that you and Beth have not grown old :).
We're still as mad as ever, but now with even more homegrown chillis.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
So you remained because...
I am not a geek/nerd like those guys. Just an ordinary guy who likes food, drinks, family time, movies etc. who codes on the side.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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:) Phew, thought I might get halberded!
I'd have to get it down off the top of the wwardrobe first, so you'd have a head start. ;)
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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I have installed it. Expect to see some blog posts from me, but I am busy finding the bugs so you don't have to.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Expect to see some blog posts from me, but I am busy finding the bugs so you don't have to.
Looking forward to it. Have you seen any of the broken/missing features in 2010 fixed?
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There used to be a time when people here where very enthusiastic about new releases (even the preview releases). The lounge was usually flooded with posts about that release. Now I do not see that anymore. For instance, there has been no post about VS11 preview and not many about Windows 8. I can think of few things:- 1. People here are getting old and tired to try new stuff. 2. People have lost their enthusiasm on Microsoft software. 3. Microsoft is not releasing good quality beta/preview versions 4. There are not enough new and compelling things in the new releases.
modified on Friday, September 16, 2011 10:11 AM
Yes, 1) installed without any problem 2) The code editor for javascript files is a lot better. 3) The dependency graph seems to work ok, although can be slow to build 4) I have spotted the new modelling tools and performance tools, but not played with them 5) I have spotted few other bits and bobs that made me go 'i'll click that one day' to see what it does 6) Opened up a VS2010 project (copy of, I'm not that daft!) without any problem. 7) It is listed under Document (and Start Menu) as Visual Studio 11 folder and not Visual Studio 2012, but maybe that will change for the final release, doesn't look right, out of sequence with my 2005,2008,2010 folders.......but is installed as 11.0 in progam files, keeping it in sequence with 8, 9.0, 10.0 I have been battling for 3 days with a javascript bug that is making no sense (using vs2010), and thought I would open the project in VS11 to see if made anything obvious jump out, but alas not. (beginning to think it is a chrome bug)
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
There used to be a time when people here where very enthusiastic about new releases
We're older and wiser now.
viaducting wrote:
We're older and wiser now.
We're older and wiser so horribly, horribly disillusioned now. FTFY.
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There used to be a time when people here where very enthusiastic about new releases (even the preview releases). The lounge was usually flooded with posts about that release. Now I do not see that anymore. For instance, there has been no post about VS11 preview and not many about Windows 8. I can think of few things:- 1. People here are getting old and tired to try new stuff. 2. People have lost their enthusiasm on Microsoft software. 3. Microsoft is not releasing good quality beta/preview versions 4. There are not enough new and compelling things in the new releases.
modified on Friday, September 16, 2011 10:11 AM
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
1. People here are getting old and tired to try new stuff.
2. People have lost their enthusiasm on Microsoft software.
3. Microsoft is not releasing good quality beta/preview versions
4. There are not enough new and compelling things in the new releases.2, 3 & 4 Yes I am number 1 but I doubt that all CPlain are baby boomer generation.
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There used to be a time when people here where very enthusiastic about new releases (even the preview releases). The lounge was usually flooded with posts about that release. Now I do not see that anymore. For instance, there has been no post about VS11 preview and not many about Windows 8. I can think of few things:- 1. People here are getting old and tired to try new stuff. 2. People have lost their enthusiasm on Microsoft software. 3. Microsoft is not releasing good quality beta/preview versions 4. There are not enough new and compelling things in the new releases.
modified on Friday, September 16, 2011 10:11 AM
Here's my observations so far from both the sessions at Build and playing around with it myself in a VM. (I checked out VS on the tablet they gave us, but immediately determined that only a masochist would even think about coding on a tablet). 0. There aren't a lot of new features. Most are subtle or only interest smaller segments of developers 1. It's as stable as you expect a pre-beta app to be. 2. Being restricted to Metro-style apps in the developer preview version sucks. 3. The integration of some of the features from VS2010 Power Tools is cool. 4. Being able to determine why DirectX rendered a particular pixel the way it did is very cool. Makes me wish I did graphics programming! 5. Having WinDbg integrated in to VS is awesome. 6. Integrating Expression Blend, or at least parts of it, for the XAML designer is a good thing. 7. For .NET developers, it's probably worth checking out the preview just to get familiar with the new async language features coming in the next versions of C# and VB. 8. More cool stuff is coming out in about a month with the Project Roslyn CTP. Project Roslyn is the work they're doing on the C# and VB compilers to open the compilers up and create APIs on top of the different steps in the compiler pipeline (syntax tree, symbols, emitting IL/object code, etc.). Anders Hejlsburg demoed user-created refactorings in VS, an interactive C# prompt, and C#<->VB converters in just a few lines of code.
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Yep. We loaded it into a VM as soon as it came out to see what they'd broken in the automation model (always the poor relation when a new release comes along). The immediate conclusion is that COM add-in registration in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE (the one we use) is broken, but HKEY_CURRENT_USER (the one we don't use as it's a pain to use for an all-users add-in) is OK. Some gnashing of teeth ensued, but nowhere near as much as happened at VS2010 Beta 1 (or VS2005 beta 1, for that matter). I wrote a short blog post about the add-in stuff last night: Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview[^] As far as features go, so far I'm distinctly underwhelmed; I was hoping for far better C++ 11 support in this release (I mean, how difficult can features such as standards compliant range based for loops be?).
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
As far as features go, so far I'm distinctly underwhelmed; I was hoping for far better C++ 11 support in this release (I mean, how difficult can features such as standards compliant range based for loops be?).
For what it's worth, Herb Sutter claimed in one of his sessions yesterday that the C++11 STL is fully implemented in VS2011. Apparently some of the C++11 language features took a lot longer to do than they expected (especially variadic templates) so they ran out of time.
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Here's my observations so far from both the sessions at Build and playing around with it myself in a VM. (I checked out VS on the tablet they gave us, but immediately determined that only a masochist would even think about coding on a tablet). 0. There aren't a lot of new features. Most are subtle or only interest smaller segments of developers 1. It's as stable as you expect a pre-beta app to be. 2. Being restricted to Metro-style apps in the developer preview version sucks. 3. The integration of some of the features from VS2010 Power Tools is cool. 4. Being able to determine why DirectX rendered a particular pixel the way it did is very cool. Makes me wish I did graphics programming! 5. Having WinDbg integrated in to VS is awesome. 6. Integrating Expression Blend, or at least parts of it, for the XAML designer is a good thing. 7. For .NET developers, it's probably worth checking out the preview just to get familiar with the new async language features coming in the next versions of C# and VB. 8. More cool stuff is coming out in about a month with the Project Roslyn CTP. Project Roslyn is the work they're doing on the C# and VB compilers to open the compilers up and create APIs on top of the different steps in the compiler pipeline (syntax tree, symbols, emitting IL/object code, etc.). Anders Hejlsburg demoed user-created refactorings in VS, an interactive C# prompt, and C#<->VB converters in just a few lines of code.
Kythen wrote:
4. Being able to determine why DirectX rendered a particular pixel the way it did is very cool. Makes me wish I did graphics programming!
I suppose this is just directX that they've improved graphics debugging on... There've been times I'd've killed for a debugger that would let me visualize a bitmap in mid-manipulation or a control in mid-Paint.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt