About the Kid Sister Rule, Bad Words and Firearms
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So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad. The point is, how is writing shit any worse than writing about firearms? I find it's a welcome discussion topic here. As far as I know, firearms are much more dangerous than shit, but such topic is not censored - nor it should in my opinion.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
There is a difference between talking about something you are interested in versus saying something to make a statement. John talks about firearms because he's passionate about it. Jimmy decided that he'd pass judgement on the site's PC-ness and then reacted like an ass to anyone who maturely pointed out to him that he was breaking site guidelines. Note: I did not vote down his posts or profile. And I agree that auto-banning his profile was taking it too far (although it seems Chris has un-banned him now).
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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There is a difference between talking about something you are interested in versus saying something to make a statement. John talks about firearms because he's passionate about it. Jimmy decided that he'd pass judgement on the site's PC-ness and then reacted like an ass to anyone who maturely pointed out to him that he was breaking site guidelines. Note: I did not vote down his posts or profile. And I agree that auto-banning his profile was taking it too far (although it seems Chris has un-banned him now).
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Spot on Nish.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad. The point is, how is writing shit any worse than writing about firearms? I find it's a welcome discussion topic here. As far as I know, firearms are much more dangerous than shit, but such topic is not censored - nor it should in my opinion.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
Dario Solera wrote:
So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad.
Whatever happened to him, he was asking for it. I had a hysterical laugh reading that thread in the morning, when his replies were along the lines "haha, you couldn't ban me. your vote is not powerful enough" and so on. And boy, it didn't take too long before he had pissed off enough people and had his little entertainment ended. Clearly, banning a regular based on one thread is wrong, because we all have a bad day now and then. But being patronising towards the people who are politely pointing out your mistakes is not a nice thing to do. This must have been a lesson. And oh, talking about firearms is absolutely fine because it is NOT against the rules of this board.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Dario Solera wrote:
So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad.
Whatever happened to him, he was asking for it. I had a hysterical laugh reading that thread in the morning, when his replies were along the lines "haha, you couldn't ban me. your vote is not powerful enough" and so on. And boy, it didn't take too long before he had pissed off enough people and had his little entertainment ended. Clearly, banning a regular based on one thread is wrong, because we all have a bad day now and then. But being patronising towards the people who are politely pointing out your mistakes is not a nice thing to do. This must have been a lesson. And oh, talking about firearms is absolutely fine because it is NOT against the rules of this board.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
And oh, talking about firearms is absolutely fine because it is NOT against the rules of this board.
This is so... governmental.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
And oh, talking about firearms is absolutely fine because it is NOT against the rules of this board.
This is so... governmental.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
Really? Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms. If the internet worked like that and didn't, instead, empower the anonymous and unreproachable, then the world be be a better place.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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There is a difference between talking about something you are interested in versus saying something to make a statement. John talks about firearms because he's passionate about it. Jimmy decided that he'd pass judgement on the site's PC-ness and then reacted like an ass to anyone who maturely pointed out to him that he was breaking site guidelines. Note: I did not vote down his posts or profile. And I agree that auto-banning his profile was taking it too far (although it seems Chris has un-banned him now).
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
I think the "PC-ness" goes too far. Everyone's worried about hurting someone else's feelings to the point of making most conversations about as bland as water. It's gotten to the point that nobody can make the slightest off-hand comment without being 1-voted back to the freakin stone-age or being pounced on by people with overly-developed levels of sensitivity that essentially reduce those people to having the spine of a slug, and thus creating a sense of holier-than-thou self-righteousness that would make even the Pope cough up a hairball. PC Violations in the preceding text include the following: 0) Insulted water by implying it had no taste 1) Said "freakin" - an implied replacement for - well - you know 2) Referred to the Pope in a less than reverent way 3) Disparaged cats by implying that coyghing up a hairball was a distasteful act perpetrated on the world by pretty much any feline 4) Just generally disagreeing with anyone else that is more PC than me (which is pretty much every swingin' d*ck on this site). 5) Oops - I just said - well - you know
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Really? Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms. If the internet worked like that and didn't, instead, empower the anonymous and unreproachable, then the world be be a better place.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns. Other than that, anyone invited to my house is probably of the same mind as me, so no worries. Anyone NOT invited will be carried out in a bag, so again, no worries.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Really? Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms. If the internet worked like that and didn't, instead, empower the anonymous and unreproachable, then the world be be a better place.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
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I think the "PC-ness" goes too far. Everyone's worried about hurting someone else's feelings to the point of making most conversations about as bland as water. It's gotten to the point that nobody can make the slightest off-hand comment without being 1-voted back to the freakin stone-age or being pounced on by people with overly-developed levels of sensitivity that essentially reduce those people to having the spine of a slug, and thus creating a sense of holier-than-thou self-righteousness that would make even the Pope cough up a hairball. PC Violations in the preceding text include the following: 0) Insulted water by implying it had no taste 1) Said "freakin" - an implied replacement for - well - you know 2) Referred to the Pope in a less than reverent way 3) Disparaged cats by implying that coyghing up a hairball was a distasteful act perpetrated on the world by pretty much any feline 4) Just generally disagreeing with anyone else that is more PC than me (which is pretty much every swingin' d*ck on this site). 5) Oops - I just said - well - you know
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
holier-than-thou self-righteousness that would make even the Pope cough up a hairball
:laugh: I hope you don't mind if I use that.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
Nobody here said that he should be banned for that one act. I do see your point, but your argument would have stood better if only Chris had not reinstated his account. If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Nobody here said that he should be banned for that one act. I do see your point, but your argument would have stood better if only Chris had not reinstated his account. If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Well that was probably the starting point for my argument. Jimmy's reinstatement is not relevant to the fact that the net result of all this is that The Lounge has become a retirement home.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
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I think the "PC-ness" goes too far. Everyone's worried about hurting someone else's feelings to the point of making most conversations about as bland as water. It's gotten to the point that nobody can make the slightest off-hand comment without being 1-voted back to the freakin stone-age or being pounced on by people with overly-developed levels of sensitivity that essentially reduce those people to having the spine of a slug, and thus creating a sense of holier-than-thou self-righteousness that would make even the Pope cough up a hairball. PC Violations in the preceding text include the following: 0) Insulted water by implying it had no taste 1) Said "freakin" - an implied replacement for - well - you know 2) Referred to the Pope in a less than reverent way 3) Disparaged cats by implying that coyghing up a hairball was a distasteful act perpetrated on the world by pretty much any feline 4) Just generally disagreeing with anyone else that is more PC than me (which is pretty much every swingin' d*ck on this site). 5) Oops - I just said - well - you know
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns. Other than that, anyone invited to my house is probably of the same mind as me, so no worries. Anyone NOT invited will be carried out in a bag, so again, no worries.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Keep your hands off my wife, my food
Even the snacks on the table? :((
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
Dario Solera wrote:
Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby.
They haven't found the baby yet? :~
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns. Other than that, anyone invited to my house is probably of the same mind as me, so no worries. Anyone NOT invited will be carried out in a bag, so again, no worries.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns.
Reminder to self : if ever JSOP invites me to dinner, bring own pizza/beer! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Nobody here said that he should be banned for that one act. I do see your point, but your argument would have stood better if only Chris had not reinstated his account. If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular
It takes a gang of six.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
Dario Solera wrote:
So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad.
Whatever happened to him, he was asking for it. I had a hysterical laugh reading that thread in the morning, when his replies were along the lines "haha, you couldn't ban me. your vote is not powerful enough" and so on. And boy, it didn't take too long before he had pissed off enough people and had his little entertainment ended. Clearly, banning a regular based on one thread is wrong, because we all have a bad day now and then. But being patronising towards the people who are politely pointing out your mistakes is not a nice thing to do. This must have been a lesson. And oh, talking about firearms is absolutely fine because it is NOT against the rules of this board.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I had a hysterical laugh reading that thread in the morning, when his replies were along the lines "haha, you couldn't ban me. your vote is not powerful enough" and so on. And boy, it didn't take too long before he had pissed off enough people and had his little entertainment ended.
I always try to leave them laughing when I go. :-D That must be a new code project record. Getting banned for one post.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Keep your hands off my wife, my food
Even the snacks on the table? :((
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
Actually, the food that's on my plate. If it's not on my plate, you can have it if you get there first. I can promise no gun-play in that instance.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
As was pointed out here and there, the big issue is the danger of getting site blocked by some organizations. So far, nothing has tripped the filter (or CP is explicitly allowed....I don't know and hesitate to ask...no need to bring anything to anyone's attention. After all, the Army blocked Port 119 because usenet had naughty things on it...somewhere... Kinda screwed up the support we had paid for from folks who used NNTP for it. I just hope no one mentions Wikil***s. That's an automatic block (per-page, at least). Even CNN gets blocked if they run a story on it. ;P
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
holier-than-thou self-righteousness that would make even the Pope cough up a hairball
:laugh: I hope you don't mind if I use that.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesThere is no copyright or patent on the phrase, so be my quest. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
