Saturday's Garage Sale
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Where do you live that you have to deal with that sort of stuff? Maybe I don't want to visit Texas now! I live in St. Louis which has very high crime when you look at the numbers and I don't feel unsafe. I don't need a gun either. I have never been robbed, but it could happen some day. If it does, I'll hand over my valuables and have a great story to tell later. Its just a wallet and phone. Maybe I'll start packing a gun when they ingrate it into a smart phone. Hogan
snorkie wrote:
Where do you live
Planet Earth. Same as you.
snorkie wrote:
over my valuables and have a great story to tell later
Unless they shoot you in the head so you won't be able to identify them.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Where do you live that you have to deal with that sort of stuff? Maybe I don't want to visit Texas now! I live in St. Louis which has very high crime when you look at the numbers and I don't feel unsafe. I don't need a gun either. I have never been robbed, but it could happen some day. If it does, I'll hand over my valuables and have a great story to tell later. Its just a wallet and phone. Maybe I'll start packing a gun when they ingrate it into a smart phone. Hogan
I believe that John's point was that you don't have to do something stupid in order to wind up in danger. To answer your point, you don't have to live in a "dangerous" neighborhood to have your house broken into and a convenience store in a "good" part of town can be robbed just as easily as one in the "bad" part. If you happen to be there when it happens and if the bad guy decides to leave no witnesses, you're screwed if you have no means of defending yourself.
snorkie wrote:
I'll hand over my valuables and have a great story to tell later.
It's not about the valuables. Things can be replaced and generally aren't worth someone's life. Your life, however, can't be replaced. If you hand over your wallet to the mugger and he decides to go ahead and kill you just to make sure you don't have any extra change in your pocket, you aren't going to be telling any stories, great or otherwise. That's where defending yourself comes into play -- not as a means of keeping your "stuff".
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In preparation for our impending change of address, we had a garage sale on Saturday. After about an hour, we'd racked up quite a cash stash, so my wife suggested that based on the current social climate where people steal things like hair extensions, a pile of used bricks, and other such things, that I should put on a pistol for the remainder of the day. Unable to find any flaws in her logic, I concurred. About 45 minutes later, the cops showed up, and some lady (that had been at our garage sale about 40 minutes prior) was standing in the street pointing at me kind of frantically, and talking to the cop in the lead car (there were two squad cars). I was sitting in a lawn chair sippin' on a glass of ice-tea, and the cop comes up and starts a conversation: Him: You're scarin' the lady in the street. Me: How so? I'm not in my car. If she's nervous about being in the street I don't blame her - you should see the way people drive through here. My advice is that she get out of the street. Him: She's concerned about your gun. Have you been out in the street with it? Me: Nope. Him: Have you had it out of the holster? Me: Well, yeah. I had to make sure it was loaded. I did that inside the house, though. Him: Well, the lady's nervous. Me: As long as she doesn't come on my property and threaten mine or my wife's life, she has nothing to worry about. If someone else were to try something, she can rest assured that we exercise Texas gun control in our house. Him: What kind of gun control is that? Me: We hit what we're aiming at. He smiled, and the conversation turned to types of pistols, the pros/cons of open carry, and the sheeple that are scared that a gun in a holster might jump out on its own and start killing and maiming with abandon. We both had a good laugh, and guessed that the concerned citizen that reported "man with a gun" was probably a liberal on federal assistance. He left, with a promise to educate the lady concerning the law regarding open-carry on one's own property. Last we saw, the lady was getting quite animated and upset, and appeared to stomp back up the street in a huff. The cops left, and I was still in the lawn chair when this guy in a pcikup truck drove up. He got out, walked right up to me with a stern look on his face. Me: Mornin'! Wanna buy a big TV? Him: You think you're somethin' carrying that gun, don't ya. Me: Well, one thing I think is that I'm armed and you're an idiot. So much for the theory that "an armed society is a polite society".
Speaking as someone who has to deal daily with the anger, frustration, and aggressive behavior displayed when people feel unempowered and threatened by situations beyond their control, you escalated the situation unnecessarily. You would have been better off offering to explain your views in a calm, reasonable manner. Instead, you've contributed to a situation where you now have two highly motivated people who will likely advocate for tighter gun control laws to anyone who would listen as a direct result of their personal experience with you. It seems more pragmatic to value your ideals above the short-term pleasure of machismo.
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At one point or another, I've had all of my guns laying on a table or leaning against a wall. Most of the time, the pistols are in a holster. Not one time have I ever seen one of the guns just up and start shooting. They're only as dangerous as the person that's misusing them. Guns don't really do what is portrayed in this video. [^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John it is not you most people are worried about, the ease with which unbalanced idiots can get hold of weapons and the lethality of those weapons is the issue for most of us. That and the fact that hormone raddled teenagers can easily get hold of weapons is truly scary.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Abhinav S wrote:
other side of the planet
Yeah, were there's absolutely *NO* guns at all in India or Pakistan or Afganistan. ;P ;P ROTFLMAO! :laugh: :laugh: And like wiz said: we're glad you're over there too.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
How did that make you feel?
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Speaking as someone who has to deal daily with the anger, frustration, and aggressive behavior displayed when people feel unempowered and threatened by situations beyond their control, you escalated the situation unnecessarily. You would have been better off offering to explain your views in a calm, reasonable manner. Instead, you've contributed to a situation where you now have two highly motivated people who will likely advocate for tighter gun control laws to anyone who would listen as a direct result of their personal experience with you. It seems more pragmatic to value your ideals above the short-term pleasure of machismo.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
Yeah, it is funny that Jon can offend people so readilly. Of course to do so is foolish. Better to tread lightly and not rattle the lions cage, because ine day, he will offend someone who is mentally unstable and is going to come back at him. Whereupon Jon will either have someones death on his hands or be in hospital. As macchoistically satisfying as it is to rub someone elses nose in the dirt, it never acchieves a good result in the long term.
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In preparation for our impending change of address, we had a garage sale on Saturday. After about an hour, we'd racked up quite a cash stash, so my wife suggested that based on the current social climate where people steal things like hair extensions, a pile of used bricks, and other such things, that I should put on a pistol for the remainder of the day. Unable to find any flaws in her logic, I concurred. About 45 minutes later, the cops showed up, and some lady (that had been at our garage sale about 40 minutes prior) was standing in the street pointing at me kind of frantically, and talking to the cop in the lead car (there were two squad cars). I was sitting in a lawn chair sippin' on a glass of ice-tea, and the cop comes up and starts a conversation: Him: You're scarin' the lady in the street. Me: How so? I'm not in my car. If she's nervous about being in the street I don't blame her - you should see the way people drive through here. My advice is that she get out of the street. Him: She's concerned about your gun. Have you been out in the street with it? Me: Nope. Him: Have you had it out of the holster? Me: Well, yeah. I had to make sure it was loaded. I did that inside the house, though. Him: Well, the lady's nervous. Me: As long as she doesn't come on my property and threaten mine or my wife's life, she has nothing to worry about. If someone else were to try something, she can rest assured that we exercise Texas gun control in our house. Him: What kind of gun control is that? Me: We hit what we're aiming at. He smiled, and the conversation turned to types of pistols, the pros/cons of open carry, and the sheeple that are scared that a gun in a holster might jump out on its own and start killing and maiming with abandon. We both had a good laugh, and guessed that the concerned citizen that reported "man with a gun" was probably a liberal on federal assistance. He left, with a promise to educate the lady concerning the law regarding open-carry on one's own property. Last we saw, the lady was getting quite animated and upset, and appeared to stomp back up the street in a huff. The cops left, and I was still in the lawn chair when this guy in a pcikup truck drove up. He got out, walked right up to me with a stern look on his face. Me: Mornin'! Wanna buy a big TV? Him: You think you're somethin' carrying that gun, don't ya. Me: Well, one thing I think is that I'm armed and you're an idiot. So much for the theory that "an armed society is a polite society".
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I'd keep an eye out for that couple. They're likely to try to make trouble for you. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get the police, city council, other gov't agency involved in some made-up bullshiite against you. Keep close records / diary / video, etc.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Hmm, yeah. Tell that to all the people killed by car bombs around the world.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunUh, what? In case you are missing some information, it's generally the bomb part of those that kills people, not the car. And because bombs have far more use as a weapon than normal civilian use, explosives are heavily regulated (even in the super-libertarian US).
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In preparation for our impending change of address, we had a garage sale on Saturday. After about an hour, we'd racked up quite a cash stash, so my wife suggested that based on the current social climate where people steal things like hair extensions, a pile of used bricks, and other such things, that I should put on a pistol for the remainder of the day. Unable to find any flaws in her logic, I concurred. About 45 minutes later, the cops showed up, and some lady (that had been at our garage sale about 40 minutes prior) was standing in the street pointing at me kind of frantically, and talking to the cop in the lead car (there were two squad cars). I was sitting in a lawn chair sippin' on a glass of ice-tea, and the cop comes up and starts a conversation: Him: You're scarin' the lady in the street. Me: How so? I'm not in my car. If she's nervous about being in the street I don't blame her - you should see the way people drive through here. My advice is that she get out of the street. Him: She's concerned about your gun. Have you been out in the street with it? Me: Nope. Him: Have you had it out of the holster? Me: Well, yeah. I had to make sure it was loaded. I did that inside the house, though. Him: Well, the lady's nervous. Me: As long as she doesn't come on my property and threaten mine or my wife's life, she has nothing to worry about. If someone else were to try something, she can rest assured that we exercise Texas gun control in our house. Him: What kind of gun control is that? Me: We hit what we're aiming at. He smiled, and the conversation turned to types of pistols, the pros/cons of open carry, and the sheeple that are scared that a gun in a holster might jump out on its own and start killing and maiming with abandon. We both had a good laugh, and guessed that the concerned citizen that reported "man with a gun" was probably a liberal on federal assistance. He left, with a promise to educate the lady concerning the law regarding open-carry on one's own property. Last we saw, the lady was getting quite animated and upset, and appeared to stomp back up the street in a huff. The cops left, and I was still in the lawn chair when this guy in a pcikup truck drove up. He got out, walked right up to me with a stern look on his face. Me: Mornin'! Wanna buy a big TV? Him: You think you're somethin' carrying that gun, don't ya. Me: Well, one thing I think is that I'm armed and you're an idiot. So much for the theory that "an armed society is a polite society".
Checked this thread out again this morning and I see that you received 29 five votes so far. Not bad, not bad. ;)
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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But we don't have a constitutional right to own cars. We do have that right with firearms.
Marc A. Brown wrote:
don't have a constitutional right to own
Actually we do. Property ownership is protected by the constitution.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Marc A. Brown wrote:
don't have a constitutional right to own
Actually we do. Property ownership is protected by the constitution.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunThat's an interesting interpretation. Where, exactly, does the Constitution grant us the right to own whatever we want? Not trying to turn this into SB material, but it is an interesting debate so far. :)
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Thankyou Jon. Your example just stopped me from acting like an asshole.
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I don't think anyone can stop you from doing that.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Speaking as someone who has to deal daily with the anger, frustration, and aggressive behavior displayed when people feel unempowered and threatened by situations beyond their control, you escalated the situation unnecessarily. You would have been better off offering to explain your views in a calm, reasonable manner. Instead, you've contributed to a situation where you now have two highly motivated people who will likely advocate for tighter gun control laws to anyone who would listen as a direct result of their personal experience with you. It seems more pragmatic to value your ideals above the short-term pleasure of machismo.
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I didn't escalate anything. They cam onto my property.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Where do you live that you have to deal with that sort of stuff? Maybe I don't want to visit Texas now! I live in St. Louis which has very high crime when you look at the numbers and I don't feel unsafe. I don't need a gun either. I have never been robbed, but it could happen some day. If it does, I'll hand over my valuables and have a great story to tell later. Its just a wallet and phone. Maybe I'll start packing a gun when they ingrate it into a smart phone. Hogan
snorkie wrote:
Where do you live that you have to deal with that sort of stuff?
I don't have to deal with it, but I'm not naive enough to assume it won't ever happen to me. Look at the way people are acting ALL OVER THE WORLD, but especially here. Mobs attacking individuals, people stealing stupid crap (hair extensions, street light poles, air conditioning units, entire metal buildings), home invasions, etc, and that's just to name a few of the things. I live in a pretty nice neighborhood, but a gas station less than two miles from my house was robbed last weekend. ALL of my neighbors have had their houses broken into at least once in the last year. We had someone try at our house, and our dogs scared 'em off. I live just north of the drug cartel border. In my view, anyone that walks around here that ISN'T armed is crazy.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
John it is not you most people are worried about, the ease with which unbalanced idiots can get hold of weapons and the lethality of those weapons is the issue for most of us. That and the fact that hormone raddled teenagers can easily get hold of weapons is truly scary.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I'm not going to try and convince anyone that some folks really shouldn't have access to anything more deadly than a pad of post-it notes. I've always advocated safe/proper firearm use, but sometimes the crazies break into the armory, and then all bets are off.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
How did that make you feel?
Like a free American. How'd it make you feel?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
In preparation for our impending change of address, we had a garage sale on Saturday. After about an hour, we'd racked up quite a cash stash, so my wife suggested that based on the current social climate where people steal things like hair extensions, a pile of used bricks, and other such things, that I should put on a pistol for the remainder of the day. Unable to find any flaws in her logic, I concurred. About 45 minutes later, the cops showed up, and some lady (that had been at our garage sale about 40 minutes prior) was standing in the street pointing at me kind of frantically, and talking to the cop in the lead car (there were two squad cars). I was sitting in a lawn chair sippin' on a glass of ice-tea, and the cop comes up and starts a conversation: Him: You're scarin' the lady in the street. Me: How so? I'm not in my car. If she's nervous about being in the street I don't blame her - you should see the way people drive through here. My advice is that she get out of the street. Him: She's concerned about your gun. Have you been out in the street with it? Me: Nope. Him: Have you had it out of the holster? Me: Well, yeah. I had to make sure it was loaded. I did that inside the house, though. Him: Well, the lady's nervous. Me: As long as she doesn't come on my property and threaten mine or my wife's life, she has nothing to worry about. If someone else were to try something, she can rest assured that we exercise Texas gun control in our house. Him: What kind of gun control is that? Me: We hit what we're aiming at. He smiled, and the conversation turned to types of pistols, the pros/cons of open carry, and the sheeple that are scared that a gun in a holster might jump out on its own and start killing and maiming with abandon. We both had a good laugh, and guessed that the concerned citizen that reported "man with a gun" was probably a liberal on federal assistance. He left, with a promise to educate the lady concerning the law regarding open-carry on one's own property. Last we saw, the lady was getting quite animated and upset, and appeared to stomp back up the street in a huff. The cops left, and I was still in the lawn chair when this guy in a pcikup truck drove up. He got out, walked right up to me with a stern look on his face. Me: Mornin'! Wanna buy a big TV? Him: You think you're somethin' carrying that gun, don't ya. Me: Well, one thing I think is that I'm armed and you're an idiot. So much for the theory that "an armed society is a polite society".
You know, I find it interesting that sitting in one's yard is some sort of escalation. In any event, for those of you in denial about random violence here's an example for you: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110927_Chased_home__Mob_attacks_man_in_his_house.html?c=r[^] A "crowd" kicks in his door. He has 4 children in the house. One "citizen" has a gun. They are very lucky this man was not trained in the use and had at his disposal a firearm. If you knock on my door, need dinner, I will feed you. You kick my door in and threaten my family, you have forfeited any benefit of the doubt. Anyone want to bet the armed-perp is not licensed? As for the thought of handing over your valuables, you better get a reality check. 20 years ago, the police use to recommend this, then they noticed that the burglaries became more violent. The predators learned you've been taught not to resist. Same attitude and conditioning that let a handful of killers hijack 4 airliners.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759