Anyone actually like Linux more than Windows?
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
Oh yes....much more. I have programmed professionally for both, and the programming is in some ways much easier on Linux. In others, it is less easy, but also far less prone to random errors. And library management (shared objects, dll's, assemblies, pick your poison) is a LOT better. From a system administrator point of view, there is no contest for me at all. If I can make it run on Linux, it does. 1 Linux admin can handle many servers. 1 Windows admin can effectively manage only a few, due to all of the high clicky GUI overhead requirements to administrate.
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
The LAMP environment runs a lot of what is out there. This includes Google, Facebook, etc., etc. At lot of the popular languages/dialects like Python, Ruby, Node.js... were developed on Linux. Linux is a different approach, not just a different way of doing the same things. "You cannot get there from here" applies to both Linux and Windows depending on the project. Apple has tweaked BSD forever. Although I have a lot of SCO and Linux experience, I did not find an Apple easier to use than Windows and Linux. But I have not spent much time with it. The time I spent was painful. I use the Windows GUI and VS 2010, or Gentoo Linux for development. Vi is great once you get used to the syntax, but no intellisense. Intellisense is great. Both have their place. Neither should go away, they feed each other - IMHO.
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FFTY. I marginally prefer Linux, more so when the price tag is factored in. I'm just getting back into it after a too-many-years break, I've just set myself up a dirt-cheap laptop, anything post Windows XP wouldn't run on it due to the low RAM but Ubuntu is zippy-quick.
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The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke! Have you tried turning it off and on again? Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot?
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
I like both Windows and Linux. Used Windows since 1996, and Linux since 2001. All my computers are dual boot Windows 7 + Linux Mint (my favorite distro). It's hard to say if I like one better than the other. They both have their strong points and weak points. I don't really prefer one over the other, but I do prefer having both OSes on dual-boot over just one or the other.
The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke! Have you tried turning it off and on again? Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot?
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
The problem I have with this is that no one uses an OS in a vacuum. It's somewhat like evaluating a car in the lot without driving it and using it in day-to-day situations for a while. That's when you realize the blind spot over your left shoulder sucks, the shape of the frame around the back seat doors makes getting your kids in and out of your car seats difficult, and there's not quite as much room for groceries as you thought. Or, you discover all the nifty little features missing in your old car that make this one so much better than you thought it would be. Over the last two years I've had a lot of experience in all 3 big OSes. I used Linux almost exclusively for a year and a half (Ubuntu 9-11), working on Rails stuff and Linux servers. I bought a MacBook to dual-boot, and used that for 9 months. And around that, I've been a Windows guy doing .Net programming. What I've found is that my experiences had a lot less to do with what I liked or disliked about the OS, and a whole lot more about what I did with it and how much difficulty I had doing so. For Linux, the regular stuff was great. And I really appreciated being able to run a very similar dev. environment on my laptop as on my server. What sucked for me was mostly proprietary stuff that just did not exist for Linux. Printer drivers were hit and miss. Utilities for configuring some electrical meters I worked with were Windows only, and Wine didn't work for them. I had an iPhone and thus needed iTunes, and had a Nook so I used its desktop version a decent amount. And I did have issues with driver support on some of my hardware that I either had to spend a good amount of time Googling for, or simply couldn't fix and just annoyed the crap out of me. Most of this was not Ubuntu's fault, of course, but the driving experience was just not as good as I could expect from either OS X or Windows despite the stuff I really liked about Ubuntu. In the end, my startup decided to take advantage of the MS BizSpark program, so I chose Win 7 over OS X. I would have stayed on Ubuntu had we gone the FOSS route. But all else being equal, I would choose 7 over Ubuntu for every day usage, even with the added license cost.
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
I like Linux lots more than Windows. #1, when you use Linux, you aren't really aware of any part of your disk other than what's in /home/username. That's the only part of the disk that you have to organize. #2, when I install software from my standard repositories, there are no license agreements and configuration steps that I have to walk thru. Software installation happens in a matter of seconds with no user input. Pretty nice. I've been using Linux only since 2009 and I taught myself everything that I know. -Mark (Debian Linux user)
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
Linux is worth something only to people whose time is worth nothing.
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
I think Windows, Linux & Mac OS X all have their place and depending on your application each OS can have its advantages and/or disadvantages. It is similar to arguing that we all should be driving MAC trucks. ;P For example, I hear a lot of "I switched to Linux at home and love it. It's so much better than Windows" stories out there. However, I never hear anything backing up that popular declaration. Questions that immediately come in to mind (to mention a few) are: What are they doing with their home computer? What kind of hardware is in their home computer? If they are a system administrator practicing setup of home networks with file sharing, web serving, writing PHP/Java TomCat/Perl apps, experimenting with MySQL or PostgreSQL then yes I would agree Linux / *NIX is a great platform. In fact it's a great practice environment because some of the things learned and be directly applied to a production work environment since a lot of enterprises run on Linux and open source offerings. However, if the application is crunching a numbers in spreadsheets or other types of "business analyst" duties then I would offer a strong argument for Windows and MS Office. Yes, I am aware of packages like OpenOffice (OpenOffice.org) and while it offers "similar" functionality it is still lacking in quite a few areas: document compatibility just to mention one. I also realize that they make Office for Mac and while it is making quite a bit of progress it is still not the same as Office on a Windows machine. Now if your application is music or audio / recording I would say the Mac/OS X is your friend. I have used audio software / recording packages for all three platforms and I will say (quite easily) Mac / OS X wins in this category hands down! You simply plug in your audio interface and it just WORKS! Linux is not bad if you can actually find drivers for your audio interface (hours and hours can be spent even after finding drivers to get them compiled or compiled into your kernel.) I realize this is not the fault of Linux / the Open Source community, but the fault of manufacturers who do not release the details to the inner workings of their devices. However, I also understand the idea of "trade secrets" and that releasing the details of your inner workings to your competitor is not always a good thing, but I digress. The other down side I have seen with audio software on Linux is features! A lot of the open source offerings for audio software (Audacity excluded as it is a quite decent
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I like Linux lots more than Windows. #1, when you use Linux, you aren't really aware of any part of your disk other than what's in /home/username. That's the only part of the disk that you have to organize. #2, when I install software from my standard repositories, there are no license agreements and configuration steps that I have to walk thru. Software installation happens in a matter of seconds with no user input. Pretty nice. I've been using Linux only since 2009 and I taught myself everything that I know. -Mark (Debian Linux user)
Linux, Windows or Mac Operating systems have their own advantages and disadvantages according to specific requirements established by an user or group of users (e.g.organization). Any analysis should be done according to this criteria. For example, it is hard to argue against Windows in the business world, because of after decades of use by it, everybody is familiar with Windows and try to stick to it. Another example, Mac and the graphics community. Or, Linux on Web community....it mostly depends on your environment, if you prefer one over another. Dante
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Oh yes....much more. I have programmed professionally for both, and the programming is in some ways much easier on Linux. In others, it is less easy, but also far less prone to random errors. And library management (shared objects, dll's, assemblies, pick your poison) is a LOT better. From a system administrator point of view, there is no contest for me at all. If I can make it run on Linux, it does. 1 Linux admin can handle many servers. 1 Windows admin can effectively manage only a few, due to all of the high clicky GUI overhead requirements to administrate.
"Windows admin can effectively manage only a few, due to all of the high clicky GUI overhead requirements to administrate." This may have been true in the past. However, it's just not the case now. A lot of tasks (if not all) can be scripted and automated just as nicely on a Windows environment. Especially with the advent of PowerShell.
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
All operating systems are getting better. I liked 4bsd UNIX and SUN OS in the '80's. SUSE linux in 2009 wasn't much different, and I was ready to dismiss linux until I loaded ubuntu. Windows sucked until 3.11 when it became toleable, and win95 was finally looking kinda polished. It's gotten steadily better since. I have very high hopes for metro, and not just for touch apps. My big disappointment was MacOS. It's just another unix, and only somewhat more stable than Win7. What was all the hype about?
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
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learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
You *couldn't* do that in Windows or you CHOSE to not do that in Windows? Since Windows 2000, the person setting up the accounts has had the option of making any account a "Standard User" which doesn't have "root" access. It's how I run my Windows boxes and you know what the learning curve was? Just a hair above zero. Oh, sure I had to learn how to do "runas administrator" but that's pretty close to linux's "sudo" and there were poorly written applications that *had* to have administrator access but those, for the large part, are now gone. And for the record, I've run both Ubuntu and CentOS, and I prefer CentOS over Ubuntu, but I prefer Windows over CentOS. Mac OS X is dead last in my list (but I also run that).
Mike Poz
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
The OS is great & every bit as good as Win7 - but as others have pointed out, the applications are the issue. There is an app for everything, but they mostly don't reach the level of the Win app's, they have weird user interfaces, or both.
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I like Linux lots more than Windows. #1, when you use Linux, you aren't really aware of any part of your disk other than what's in /home/username. That's the only part of the disk that you have to organize. #2, when I install software from my standard repositories, there are no license agreements and configuration steps that I have to walk thru. Software installation happens in a matter of seconds with no user input. Pretty nice. I've been using Linux only since 2009 and I taught myself everything that I know. -Mark (Debian Linux user)
I would nearly always choose linux over windows. I develop in a windows shop at work, and I use linux anywhere else. I personally don't have wine installed, and don't care to pay for programs that are single platform. (unless it's linux only) I started on debian, moved to ubuntu, and eventually ended on gentoo. My wife and my daughter also use linux. My wife thought the move to linux was simple, and even did her excel classes in open office. I have one game members of my family play, and the occassional class in college requires windows programs. For this I have a vm. I feel kinda dirty about it, but windows in a vm is necessary sometimes. ( at least for now). Some third party stuff is not created for linux. This is sad. But, there are usually tools that you can buy , or get for free, that do the same tasks. (Gimp vs. photoshop, Haxe vs. flash, Mono vs. VS, and on and on). Again, I try not to contribute to programs that are windows only. Many of the softwares you can't get to work in wine, that is true. You can use a vm or you can always get crossover or a related program to make wine a little less painful. I tried installing windows 7 and couldn't stand it. Too many popups, no package manager, and always messages about what my computer did for me without my knowledge. You can't turn it off without waiting for it to let you , it won't start without configuring, etc. It was , in my opinion, aggrivating. It wouldn't shut off when I wanted it to so I pulled the plug out of the back of it (turned off immediately , btw) and put the tower in the trunk of the car. I couldn't get IIS set up, and it wouldn't let me install apache. Just to much for me to take. I went back to gentoo where things are normal.
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
I have been using windows on and off since 3.1 and Linux since red hat 5.5. I use Ubuntu and Debian exclusively now. I use windows only when I absolutely need too. Linux is freedom. You are free to change every aspect about the OS all the way down to the kernel code. Windows just contains too much bloat nowadays. We spend years getting use to windows and then Microsoft changes things up and tells us its for our own good. Companies/businesses have to retrain and work is slowed and/or lost because of it. The best, fastest version of windows I ever used (before viruses took it over) was windows 2000. It had low memory/cpu requirements, a simple ui, and could really move. Cant say that about windows 7. Windows is bad for the environment because Microsoft forces everyone to upgrade(if they want support) which forces some people to have to buy new computers and throw away their old ones which still work perfectly fine. How is office 2007 better, productivity wise than office 97? office 97 starts up in less than a second on my machine and is quick and very responsive. I can't say the same about office 2007. In the real world if something ain't broke then it should not be fixed. Microsoft has to keep releasing software to fool people into buying it just because its new. That's BS. This is why I prefer Linux. Linux/Ubuntu will work on my 10 year old computer and run faster than windows 7 on my modern computer. That's just stupid.
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I think Windows, Linux & Mac OS X all have their place and depending on your application each OS can have its advantages and/or disadvantages. It is similar to arguing that we all should be driving MAC trucks. ;P For example, I hear a lot of "I switched to Linux at home and love it. It's so much better than Windows" stories out there. However, I never hear anything backing up that popular declaration. Questions that immediately come in to mind (to mention a few) are: What are they doing with their home computer? What kind of hardware is in their home computer? If they are a system administrator practicing setup of home networks with file sharing, web serving, writing PHP/Java TomCat/Perl apps, experimenting with MySQL or PostgreSQL then yes I would agree Linux / *NIX is a great platform. In fact it's a great practice environment because some of the things learned and be directly applied to a production work environment since a lot of enterprises run on Linux and open source offerings. However, if the application is crunching a numbers in spreadsheets or other types of "business analyst" duties then I would offer a strong argument for Windows and MS Office. Yes, I am aware of packages like OpenOffice (OpenOffice.org) and while it offers "similar" functionality it is still lacking in quite a few areas: document compatibility just to mention one. I also realize that they make Office for Mac and while it is making quite a bit of progress it is still not the same as Office on a Windows machine. Now if your application is music or audio / recording I would say the Mac/OS X is your friend. I have used audio software / recording packages for all three platforms and I will say (quite easily) Mac / OS X wins in this category hands down! You simply plug in your audio interface and it just WORKS! Linux is not bad if you can actually find drivers for your audio interface (hours and hours can be spent even after finding drivers to get them compiled or compiled into your kernel.) I realize this is not the fault of Linux / the Open Source community, but the fault of manufacturers who do not release the details to the inner workings of their devices. However, I also understand the idea of "trade secrets" and that releasing the details of your inner workings to your competitor is not always a good thing, but I digress. The other down side I have seen with audio software on Linux is features! A lot of the open source offerings for audio software (Audacity excluded as it is a quite decent
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
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I had been using Windows and Windows-only since Windows 3.0, until months ago I got myself a mac book pro, this is the first time I really get into the Linux world, but I hate it, however, this experience bring me to another level, Windows isn't the only thing out there, so I install Ubuntu on one of my system, Wow! I love it, as a Windows user, I found most thing hard to understand, the overall concept, the file system, everything, but after a couple weeks of trial and error, trying to undersand how permission works in the Linux world, how to execute a bin file, etc., at this point I feel a lot better with the Linux system. Up to this point I would say that I actually like Linux more than Windows, learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
I find using my Windows 7 desktop at work frustratingly slow and difficult compared to my Linux desktop at home (we've had an MS-free house for about five years now). And I also love my Linux^H^H^H^H^H Android phone. The inability to do trivial things like delete files because they're in use and the general sluggishness of the desktop drive me spare in Windows. On the other hand, the lousy video drivers and often poor-quality userspace [gconf and bonobo, I'm looking at you...] wind me up with a GNU system (be it Linux or BSD). And mono... ugh.... But, given a choice and without any specific task requirements that force Windows, I'll take Linux anytime thanks. One interesting thing though is that we were recently burgled and my wife's laptop was stolen. While we're waiting for the insurance, she's been using a similar spec. Windows laptop borrowed from work - and has been complaining about the frustrations of having to use Windows. Although reasonably clued up about computers in general, she's not a "techy" and doesn't go near the CLI without instructions.
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