Advice from Steve Jobs. Goodbye Hero.
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Yes: wasn't amused: it's simply not funny. And I lost me previous partner to cancer: sat and watched her life fade away so don't preach to me about that: It just isn't funny.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
I lost me previous partner to cancer
That I genuinely sympathise with you for, I sat with my wife and her father as he passed away. I know how hard any loss is and doubly so for the ones you dearly love. But that won't stop me sham-slamming the fanboyz platitudes.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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digital man wrote:
to equate decisions that someone takes in life as the cause of their illness is beyond moronic.
Did you read the entire post? I do believe in karma and Jobs comes across as a very selfish man hence the dig, but more to the point I like grave humour. I lost someone very close to me to cancer earlier this year, cancer blows chunks but that is no reason to go all "Holy Steve father of cool...". A good businessman and tech visionary is dead, neither you nor I, nor I would guess anyone on this site, knew him so being sensitive in his defence is more stupid than having a joke.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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5fingers wrote:
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.
Deny paternity of your children when it suits you too, don't be trapped by an inconvenience from your past...
5fingers wrote:
Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life.
There is no reason to make any form of charitable donation, look out for number one and number one alone...
5fingers wrote:
Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle.
Be selfish, bu uncaring, be anything but always act to serve your own ends... Hmmm, I may be a little sick of this nonsense hero worship already. The man died, its sad for those close to him, its not the end of the world, the sun will set tonight and rise again tomorrow, get over it.
Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"
I think you are entirely justified in your comments and sentiments. We all know Jobs was a ruthless SOB when it came down to it. He even lied to Wozniak about what kind of split they were making on one of their early projects (I can't remember what one, Breakout? Blue boxes?), so Jobs could keep a bigger slice. After Woz found out he was as baffled as he was hurt, he just could not fathom that kind of amoral behavior. But whatever Steve's personal faults were, and they were many, his reinvention of Apple after he returned is, to me, a much more impressive feat than founding Apple to begin with (that early success was due more to Wozniak, IMHO). He was not an inventor (I heard Wolf Blitzer say, "Many of you found out the news on a device he invented," and I wanted to scream). But he knew what technology could be for people, and he knew what it was about technology that frustrates people; I always got the feeling that he was their most important QA tester. He was the very public face of the unreal success Apple has had over the past 10 years, and does deserve a lot of credit (or blame?) for the current state of the industry we are a part of. I would say all of us in the technology sector owe him a tip of the cap.
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Great minds think alike! It is the oleaginous obsequies and sycophantic siffilations that annoy me. OK, he was clever and visionary, but all these people treating him with messianic fervour annoy me, they didn't know him, they are not emotionally attached.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary. Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart. Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life. Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle.
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
I love Steve Jobs, but now..he was gone.... X|
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Indeed. I almost have the feeling that Michael Jackson died once more.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
I just can't believe we've lost Jobs and Leslie Nielsen on the same day.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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When Jackson croaked we were tormented for weeks with his music on every radio channel or TV channel. Are we now going to have to listen to Neilson's singing or watch Steve Jobs' movies?
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
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I love Steve Jobs, but now..he was gone.... X|
Do you? How well did you know him? Where you a personal friend? I cannot understand this sentiment. A person YOU DO NOT KNOW is now dead. Get over it.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I think you are entirely justified in your comments and sentiments. We all know Jobs was a ruthless SOB when it came down to it. He even lied to Wozniak about what kind of split they were making on one of their early projects (I can't remember what one, Breakout? Blue boxes?), so Jobs could keep a bigger slice. After Woz found out he was as baffled as he was hurt, he just could not fathom that kind of amoral behavior. But whatever Steve's personal faults were, and they were many, his reinvention of Apple after he returned is, to me, a much more impressive feat than founding Apple to begin with (that early success was due more to Wozniak, IMHO). He was not an inventor (I heard Wolf Blitzer say, "Many of you found out the news on a device he invented," and I wanted to scream). But he knew what technology could be for people, and he knew what it was about technology that frustrates people; I always got the feeling that he was their most important QA tester. He was the very public face of the unreal success Apple has had over the past 10 years, and does deserve a lot of credit (or blame?) for the current state of the industry we are a part of. I would say all of us in the technology sector owe him a tip of the cap.
As I said elsewhere, as a CEO, as a businessman, both in the tech industry and elsewhere, (Pixar), he was exceptional and it is probably largely down to Steve Jobs that those of us not using Apple tech products are using exceptionally good items from other manufacturers. You cannot escape the fact that the over the last ten or so years Apple have forced others into a game of catch me if you can which, (until the currently ongoing patent wars), has driven device innovation, spec etc. onward and upward at a fantastic pace. I'm just not a person for one-eyed hero worship, I'd rather take people as they are and not how the marketing department wants them to be taken. We've all got our faults, it's part of what makes us all individuals and it keeps the world interesting.
Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"
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As I said elsewhere, as a CEO, as a businessman, both in the tech industry and elsewhere, (Pixar), he was exceptional and it is probably largely down to Steve Jobs that those of us not using Apple tech products are using exceptionally good items from other manufacturers. You cannot escape the fact that the over the last ten or so years Apple have forced others into a game of catch me if you can which, (until the currently ongoing patent wars), has driven device innovation, spec etc. onward and upward at a fantastic pace. I'm just not a person for one-eyed hero worship, I'd rather take people as they are and not how the marketing department wants them to be taken. We've all got our faults, it's part of what makes us all individuals and it keeps the world interesting.
Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"
goblinTech wrote:
I'm just not a person for one-eyed hero worship
Hang on. Nelson rocked!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary. Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart. Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life. Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle.
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
I am glad to see you're taking his words to heart. I am not a chatbot.
m.bergman
-- For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
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Do you? How well did you know him? Where you a personal friend? I cannot understand this sentiment. A person YOU DO NOT KNOW is now dead. Get over it.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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goblinTech wrote:
I'm just not a person for one-eyed hero worship
Hang on. Nelson rocked!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
goblinTech wrote:
I'm just not a person for one-eyed hero worship
Hang on. Nelson rocked!
Boom-Tish! :laugh:
Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"
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Yes, I know. Saying Leslie Nielson is dead is a metaphor used on this site to indicate that something is old news that has been repeatedly posted.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Yes, I know. Saying Leslie Nielson is dead is a metaphor used on this site to indicate that something is old news that has been repeatedly posted.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Great minds think alike! It is the oleaginous obsequies and sycophantic siffilations that annoy me. OK, he was clever and visionary, but all these people treating him with messianic fervour annoy me, they didn't know him, they are not emotionally attached.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
The same can be said for any famous person. For example: The Pope, Jesus, Micheal Jackson, Princess Diane, all the Kennedys, Ronald Reagan, Kirk Cobain, The Beatles, etc. If there's anyone else I haven't been able to offend I made a mistake. These "sacred cows" are no different, just differ between people. People usually praise them for what they've done, but worshship them for it dismissing the idea that they have just as much potential. Some are just attention whores while others are just business people.
Well, who doesn't release stuff like that ? Microsoft software is just as bad. Christian Graus That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Hard to say wether or not that post was meant to be ironic...
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse.Me. Ironic? Next you'll say I'm being sarcastic. :rolleyes:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I agree withe the sentiment re. cancer, but am sickened by the platitudes and hero worshiping of a man reputed to be an arsehole of the highest order as a boss, who denied the paternity of a daughter, going as far as claiming infertility in court to do so), leaving her mother on welfare for a number of years to raise her, who stopped charitable donations and whose products are built in wholly unsafe sweat shops in China. He was good as a CEO, at running business, being innovative and making money but an awful example of how to be a human being...
Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"
goblinTech wrote:
He was good as a CEO, at running business, being innovative and making money but an awful example of how to be a human being...
People forget that, but then again like so many excuses both here and everywhere else, "Not my problem" is the answer to both not caring or supporting change for good of all. Secretly down inside places they don't admit to, those people want to be just like them with lots of money and just as many excuses to step on people. I usually try to keep in mind, the depravity of humanity has no limits. Call it an expectation of behavior. Civility gets stepped on whenever survival is necessary by the one or ones most willing to go down the rabbit whole of depravity.
Well, who doesn't release stuff like that ? Microsoft software is just as bad. Christian Graus That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_