Advice from Steve Jobs. Goodbye Hero.
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The same can be said for any famous person. For example: The Pope, Jesus, Micheal Jackson, Princess Diane, all the Kennedys, Ronald Reagan, Kirk Cobain, The Beatles, etc. If there's anyone else I haven't been able to offend I made a mistake. These "sacred cows" are no different, just differ between people. People usually praise them for what they've done, but worshship them for it dismissing the idea that they have just as much potential. Some are just attention whores while others are just business people.
Well, who doesn't release stuff like that ? Microsoft software is just as bad. Christian Graus That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Yeah that Jesus, what an attention whore. It was all "Look at me, see what I can do!" and "For my next trick..." He had all those fans, and yet he hasn't done a follow up from his first successful work of fiction.
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Me. Ironic? Next you'll say I'm being sarcastic. :rolleyes:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Great minds think alike! It is the oleaginous obsequies and sycophantic siffilations that annoy me. OK, he was clever and visionary, but all these people treating him with messianic fervour annoy me, they didn't know him, they are not emotionally attached.
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The world would be a more sane place if he would have remembered to have the rest of the cultists drink their kool-aid. :laugh:
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I think you are entirely justified in your comments and sentiments. We all know Jobs was a ruthless SOB when it came down to it. He even lied to Wozniak about what kind of split they were making on one of their early projects (I can't remember what one, Breakout? Blue boxes?), so Jobs could keep a bigger slice. After Woz found out he was as baffled as he was hurt, he just could not fathom that kind of amoral behavior. But whatever Steve's personal faults were, and they were many, his reinvention of Apple after he returned is, to me, a much more impressive feat than founding Apple to begin with (that early success was due more to Wozniak, IMHO). He was not an inventor (I heard Wolf Blitzer say, "Many of you found out the news on a device he invented," and I wanted to scream). But he knew what technology could be for people, and he knew what it was about technology that frustrates people; I always got the feeling that he was their most important QA tester. He was the very public face of the unreal success Apple has had over the past 10 years, and does deserve a lot of credit (or blame?) for the current state of the industry we are a part of. I would say all of us in the technology sector owe him a tip of the cap.
David Kentley wrote:
and he knew what it was about technology that frustrates people;
This is just laughable. He worried about chome first, and usability second. My $20 phone from Verizon runs out of charge, I just swap the battery from my old phone. My Wiimote needs a charge, 2 new batteries go in. My iPhone needs a new battery, ummm....
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Yeah that Jesus, what an attention whore. It was all "Look at me, see what I can do!" and "For my next trick..." He had all those fans, and yet he hasn't done a follow up from his first successful work of fiction.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
And I didn't even get a 1 vote for that. Damn. I should have added more people. Some where in all of that someone should have been offended enough to 1 vote me. ;P
Well, who doesn't release stuff like that ? Microsoft software is just as bad. Christian Graus That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I agree withe the sentiment re. cancer, but am sickened by the platitudes and hero worshiping of a man reputed to be an arsehole of the highest order as a boss, who denied the paternity of a daughter, going as far as claiming infertility in court to do so), leaving her mother on welfare for a number of years to raise her, who stopped charitable donations and whose products are built in wholly unsafe sweat shops in China. He was good as a CEO, at running business, being innovative and making money but an awful example of how to be a human being...
Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"
So according to you, only individuals without a single flaw in their lives should be admired & revered? I'm no fanboy, but I think you should get a few more substantial points before judging someone an awful person. BTW: "For two years, though already wealthy, he denied paternity while Lisa's mother went on welfare." http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news/companies/elkind_jobs.fortune/index2.htm[^] And as far as I know, he didn't FORCE anybody to work for their factories.
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Great minds think alike! It is the oleaginous obsequies and sycophantic siffilations that annoy me. OK, he was clever and visionary, but all these people treating him with messianic fervour annoy me, they didn't know him, they are not emotionally attached.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
oleaginous obsequies and sycophantic siffilations
Fascinating Dave, Taken literally, "oleaginous obsequies" would mean "oily funeral rites;" is there a Luton idiom at work here ? And, thanks for introducing me to "siffle," as in whisper (rarer meaning: whistle). In terms of onomatopoeia, and balancing out the line, what do you think about "obeisances" as the final word ? But, well ... ah ... forget it ... there's such a wonderful interior resonance in the way you paired "sychophantic," and "siffiliations." yours in the spirit of unending fascination with language, best, Bill
"Use the word 'cybernetics,' Norbert, because nobody knows what it means. This will always put you at an advantage in arguments." Claude Shannon (Information Theory scientist): letter to Norbert Weiner of M.I.T., circa 1940
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The same can be said for any famous person. For example: The Pope, Jesus, Micheal Jackson, Princess Diane, all the Kennedys, Ronald Reagan, Kirk Cobain, The Beatles, etc. If there's anyone else I haven't been able to offend I made a mistake. These "sacred cows" are no different, just differ between people. People usually praise them for what they've done, but worshship them for it dismissing the idea that they have just as much potential. Some are just attention whores while others are just business people.
Well, who doesn't release stuff like that ? Microsoft software is just as bad. Christian Graus That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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It all kind of serves him right. When he came back as CEO of Apple he stopped all charitable donations. A few dollars to cancer research might have made a difference...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
You have no idea what you are talking about! I know for a fact that he donated a lot of money so that people could get liver transplants. Please do not spread lies about something you don't know.
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You have no idea what you are talking about! I know for a fact that he donated a lot of money so that people could get liver transplants. Please do not spread lies about something you don't know.
Dieter Deysel wrote:
You have no idea what you are talking about!
The fact that Jobs stopped all charitable work by Apple when he returned as CEO is well documented.
Dieter Deysel wrote:
I know for a fact that he donated a lot of money so that people could get liver transplants.
Reference? If he donated towards liver transplants I would be surprised if it was for any altruistic reason.
Dieter Deysel wrote:
Please do not spread lies about something you don't know.
I do know, that he wasn't this nice guy the fanboyz are saying he is. Jobs was a ruthless business man and he used technology to amass a fortune. A fortune he for many years even refused to use to help bring up his daughter. All I can find about Jobs and from following his career for 25+ years points to a man who was good with technology but bad with people.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary. Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart. Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life. Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle.
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
What a load of drivel, Steve. Too bad I'll never get the chance to tell you in person. People are acting like someone who did something important died. Was Steve Jobs a scientist who made a great discovery? Was Steve Jobs a statesman? No Was Steve Jobs a peacemanker? No Was Steve Jobs a philosopher? No Was Steve Jobs a Religious leader? No Steve Job ran a technology company and a very successful one at that. An interesting life, yes. But, important in the grand scheme of things? Not really. All our technology is simply tools. Do we wax nostalgic when the founder of a shovel company dies? Like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs primary skill is marketing technology to the public and they both made billions doing it. Neither is THAT innovative, but they did figure out how to sell what others invented and could not sell.
the aceman living in Nashville, TN, USA (a.k.a. Music City USA) (Yes Virginia, there are rock and roll stations in Nashville! :laugh:)
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Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary. Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart. Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life. Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle.
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
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It all kind of serves him right. When he came back as CEO of Apple he stopped all charitable donations. A few dollars to cancer research might have made a difference...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
A few dollars to cancer research might have made a difference...
That is so witty you should be on the f***ing telly. Why don't we have a sarcasm emoticon?
You do trust me, don't you? If any love is good lovin, why is prostitution illegal?? I guess I ain't seen nothing yet.
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Hard to say wether or not that post was meant to be ironic...
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What a load of drivel, Steve. Too bad I'll never get the chance to tell you in person. People are acting like someone who did something important died. Was Steve Jobs a scientist who made a great discovery? Was Steve Jobs a statesman? No Was Steve Jobs a peacemanker? No Was Steve Jobs a philosopher? No Was Steve Jobs a Religious leader? No Steve Job ran a technology company and a very successful one at that. An interesting life, yes. But, important in the grand scheme of things? Not really. All our technology is simply tools. Do we wax nostalgic when the founder of a shovel company dies? Like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs primary skill is marketing technology to the public and they both made billions doing it. Neither is THAT innovative, but they did figure out how to sell what others invented and could not sell.
the aceman living in Nashville, TN, USA (a.k.a. Music City USA) (Yes Virginia, there are rock and roll stations in Nashville! :laugh:)
Andrew Eisenberg wrote:
People are acting like someone who did something important died.
You don't actually know much about computers really do you?
Andrew Eisenberg wrote:
An interesting life, yes. But, important in the grand scheme of things? Not really.
I rest my case... Go read a book Danny
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Yes, I know. Saying Leslie Nielson is dead is a metaphor used on this site to indicate that something is old news that has been repeatedly posted.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Dalek Dave wrote:
oleaginous obsequies and sycophantic siffilations
Fascinating Dave, Taken literally, "oleaginous obsequies" would mean "oily funeral rites;" is there a Luton idiom at work here ? And, thanks for introducing me to "siffle," as in whisper (rarer meaning: whistle). In terms of onomatopoeia, and balancing out the line, what do you think about "obeisances" as the final word ? But, well ... ah ... forget it ... there's such a wonderful interior resonance in the way you paired "sychophantic," and "siffiliations." yours in the spirit of unending fascination with language, best, Bill
"Use the word 'cybernetics,' Norbert, because nobody knows what it means. This will always put you at an advantage in arguments." Claude Shannon (Information Theory scientist): letter to Norbert Weiner of M.I.T., circa 1940
BillWoodruff wrote:
Taken literally, "oleaginous obsequies" would mean "oily funeral rites;" is there a Luton idiom at work here ?
:laugh: I do not want to know what goes on at Luton grave sites. I'm just going to assume "oleaginous obsequies" means "distastefully complimentary funeral rites".
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