Accountants
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Hi there: Does anyone have any tips for accountants? And for staying out of IR35? Thanks people! -- Rob
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Hi there: Does anyone have any tips for accountants? And for staying out of IR35? Thanks people! -- Rob
It is a bugger of a law. Unpopular with just about everyone, (inc HMRC, as they are forced to examine the cases and it is time consuming and difficult). This link may help[^] One of the standard ways to avoid it though is to have multiple contracts. Read This Too[^]
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Hi there: Does anyone have any tips for accountants? And for staying out of IR35? Thanks people! -- Rob
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How many accountants0 does it take to paper a room? Three if you slice them thin enough :-D 0Substitute for profession of choice
Reiss wrote:
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It doesn't work, look: How many X-Factor contestants does it take to paper a room? 849. 840 in a blender to make the paste and another 9 thickly sliced.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Reiss wrote:
Substitute for profession of choice
It doesn't work, look: How many X-Factor contestants does it take to paper a room? 849. 840 in a blender to make the paste and another 9 thickly sliced.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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It is a bugger of a law. Unpopular with just about everyone, (inc HMRC, as they are forced to examine the cases and it is time consuming and difficult). This link may help[^] One of the standard ways to avoid it though is to have multiple contracts. Read This Too[^]
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Just read through that lot, plus a little more. Jeez - what a mess! Out here it's simple: A contract is a consulting contract if it says so BUT if it mentions specific hours of work, it's employment. The contract can say five days per week, and you're OK. If it says Monday to Friday, you're just OK, but may be asked for details. If it says 08:00 to 17:00, you're illegally employed, which results in penalties for the employer and employee, and any tax or NI that is considered due, although these issues are usually handled without going to court.
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Reiss wrote:
Substitute for profession of choice
It doesn't work, look: How many X-Factor contestants does it take to paper a room? 849. 840 in a blender to make the paste and another 9 thickly sliced.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
X-Factor contestants
Surely the only people thicker than the contestants are those people who think it is a fair contest won by the most talented person. I am ashamed to say it but my wife enjoys the show, but at least she accepts it is a purile piece of shite rigged from the outset.
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Hi there: Does anyone have any tips for accountants? And for staying out of IR35? Thanks people! -- Rob
Read this short series of articles on contracting: Contracting for Dummies[^]. Get an accountant that has experience of dealing with contractors and IR35: ask around for names and ask the accountant exactly what service they provide and what they charge. Join the PCG[^]: worth every penny if only because they will evaluate your contract and offer sound advice. Bear in mind that the Inland revenue have lost every IR35 case bar one and then only because the contractor involved had himself as a lawyer. The PCG offer legal representation.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Hi there: Does anyone have any tips for accountants? And for staying out of IR35? Thanks people! -- Rob
Rob Lyndon wrote:
And for staying out of IR35?
Use your own tools to do the job, ie, computers. Be a genuine consultant, ie, dont work fixed office hours, and dont work under the clients direction, ie, tell the client how to do it and what needs to be done. As Dave says, having multiple concurrent contracts is usefull. A simple way to do this is to club together with other contractors and emply each other for code reviews etc. (Wvwn if they dont happen, just invoice each other a few hundred euros her and thered).
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Rob Lyndon wrote:
And for staying out of IR35?
Use your own tools to do the job, ie, computers. Be a genuine consultant, ie, dont work fixed office hours, and dont work under the clients direction, ie, tell the client how to do it and what needs to be done. As Dave says, having multiple concurrent contracts is usefull. A simple way to do this is to club together with other contractors and emply each other for code reviews etc. (Wvwn if they dont happen, just invoice each other a few hundred euros her and thered).
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Erudite__Eric wrote:
Use your own tools to do the job, ie, computers.
This can be tricky as few clients will let you plug into their networks.
Erudite__Eric wrote:
Be a genuine consultant, ie, dont work fixed office hours, and dont work under the clients direction, ie, tell the client how to do it and what needs to be done.
Try and work from your office once a week, rather that on site all the time.
Erudite__Eric wrote:
.. A simple way to do this is to club together with other contractors and emply each other for code reviews etc.
It is even better if you have contacts in the EU (just be careful about VAT though)
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Erudite__Eric wrote:
Use your own tools to do the job, ie, computers.
This can be tricky as few clients will let you plug into their networks.
Erudite__Eric wrote:
Be a genuine consultant, ie, dont work fixed office hours, and dont work under the clients direction, ie, tell the client how to do it and what needs to be done.
Try and work from your office once a week, rather that on site all the time.
Erudite__Eric wrote:
.. A simple way to do this is to club together with other contractors and emply each other for code reviews etc.
It is even better if you have contacts in the EU (just be careful about VAT though)
Thanks guys. Great advice in each case. -- Rob
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Erudite__Eric wrote:
Use your own tools to do the job, ie, computers.
This can be tricky as few clients will let you plug into their networks.
Erudite__Eric wrote:
Be a genuine consultant, ie, dont work fixed office hours, and dont work under the clients direction, ie, tell the client how to do it and what needs to be done.
Try and work from your office once a week, rather that on site all the time.
Erudite__Eric wrote:
.. A simple way to do this is to club together with other contractors and emply each other for code reviews etc.
It is even better if you have contacts in the EU (just be careful about VAT though)
Reiss wrote:
This can be tricky as few clients will let you plug into their networks.
If you accept their AV install they are normally happy. Defence work can be trickky though, depending on what it is. They have some ultra secure networks.
Reiss wrote:
Try and work from your office once a week, rather that on site all the time.
Yeah, dont act like an employee, thats the key.
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