Create a new programming language?
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Mark, I suggested here as it's not a programming question per se, but a theory question. I believe that, even though it has some homeworkiness about it, it's not too bad a subject.
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Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language? or to create it from scratch or create it in machine/binary code or assembly code? Also some other questions that are optional that you may answer: - Is there a way for a programming language to be "all-purpose"? (for example this programming language can be used to make games, models, simple applications (like calculators) or anything and EVERYTHING you can imagine) - Is there a way for a programming language to be "self-sustained"? (for example you don't need more than one language like "Lua" to run a massive game like "World of Warcraft" or "Command and Conquer" or any of those games out there or this language does not need support of any kind to run) Any answers will be fully-appreciated. :) Regards, Brandon Proud Member of "The Code Project"
Anyone can right a language form the ground up. You just need the instruction set for the processor. I would not recomend it though unless you are just trying to prove you can do it. If you want to make anything useful stick with the higher level languages. I think most have said yes to the all-purpose but I would disagree. The reason being is hardware related. The industry has gone through some cycles in the last decade or so that should prove this to anyone that has doubts. Web based applications stormed the industry because of the "all-purpose" aspect. One team one mission total, one failure. Web apps are great but you just can't beat a language that is talking to your specified hardware. In normal practice yes, but when you talk about speacialized hardware the all purpose languages tend to be 10 steps behind. And even when they do make those ten steps forward, it often comes with some serious baggage. Take for example parallel programming. This has been one of the main targets for the .Net framework in the more recent releases. However, things like CUDA have been perfecting it on the GPU for a few years now. This is just one example. Any time you find spealized hardware, you will often find speacialized software that will outperform the "all-purpose" software for years to come. As for "Self-Sustained", it just so happens this is related to the second "all-purpose". By adapting in other languages it is one less component that need be targets. It goes with the logic of why re-invent the wheel? Once the API is to combersome it is time to extend the so called "all-purpose" language.
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Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language? or to create it from scratch or create it in machine/binary code or assembly code? Also some other questions that are optional that you may answer: - Is there a way for a programming language to be "all-purpose"? (for example this programming language can be used to make games, models, simple applications (like calculators) or anything and EVERYTHING you can imagine) - Is there a way for a programming language to be "self-sustained"? (for example you don't need more than one language like "Lua" to run a massive game like "World of Warcraft" or "Command and Conquer" or any of those games out there or this language does not need support of any kind to run) Any answers will be fully-appreciated. :) Regards, Brandon Proud Member of "The Code Project"
Complex games like World of Warcraft usually develop their own proprietary high level scripting language and communication protocols. So yeah. There are several abstraction layers in any complex system. Edit: Actually these days nobody needs a new low level language, C is prety good for that. What is lacking maybe is a high level modern language tuned for specific types of applications like the web.
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Ah, then Nagy deserves the vitriol! Trouble is, it smacks of being a programming question with the bonus of looking very much like a homework question. Note, however, that my response was meant to be somewhat sarcastic. I shall also reverse my one vote based on the fact that you was conned into putting it into the lounge in the first place! :-)
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Even if it was a homework question, where do you suggest he get the answer, from some other website; his textbook maybe? I have seen worse in the Lounge with less negative reception. Aren't we here to help. I think his questions are more refreshing then hearing another bad joke or another instance of the word bacon. ;)
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Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language? or to create it from scratch or create it in machine/binary code or assembly code? Also some other questions that are optional that you may answer: - Is there a way for a programming language to be "all-purpose"? (for example this programming language can be used to make games, models, simple applications (like calculators) or anything and EVERYTHING you can imagine) - Is there a way for a programming language to be "self-sustained"? (for example you don't need more than one language like "Lua" to run a massive game like "World of Warcraft" or "Command and Conquer" or any of those games out there or this language does not need support of any kind to run) Any answers will be fully-appreciated. :) Regards, Brandon Proud Member of "The Code Project"
Yes. I won't bother with the explanation as it is intuitively obvious.
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Even if it was a homework question, where do you suggest he get the answer, from some other website; his textbook maybe? I have seen worse in the Lounge with less negative reception. Aren't we here to help. I think his questions are more refreshing then hearing another bad joke or another instance of the word bacon. ;)
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
where do you suggest he get the answer
The appropriate forum; not the Lounge! (Did you see that I was being a little tongue in cheek?
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Slacker007 wrote:
where do you suggest he get the answer
The appropriate forum; not the Lounge! (Did you see that I was being a little tongue in cheek?
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mark merrens wrote:
Did you see that I was being a little tongue in cheek?
sorry, i don't speak in tongues. I think, and many others did as well, that the Lounge was just fine for this type of question. :)
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Slacker007 wrote:
where do you suggest he get the answer
The appropriate forum; not the Lounge! (Did you see that I was being a little tongue in cheek?
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mark merrens wrote:
The appropriate forum; not the Lounge!
And which forum would that be? If you are going to tell him that he shouldn't have posted here, you should at least have the courtesy to tell him where he should have posted it.
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Even if it was a homework question, where do you suggest he get the answer, from some other website; his textbook maybe? I have seen worse in the Lounge with less negative reception. Aren't we here to help. I think his questions are more refreshing then hearing another bad joke or another instance of the word bacon. ;)
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
another instance of the word bacon.
I didn't know you could actually instanciate bacon?!?!? I'm sure that's good news to pigs around the world. I've always thought of bacon as somwhat of a singleton; Once you eat it it ceases to exist... ;)
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mark merrens wrote:
Did you see that I was being a little tongue in cheek?
sorry, i don't speak in tongues. I think, and many others did as well, that the Lounge was just fine for this type of question. :)
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Slacker007 wrote:
another instance of the word bacon.
I didn't know you could actually instanciate bacon?!?!? I'm sure that's good news to pigs around the world. I've always thought of bacon as somwhat of a singleton; Once you eat it it ceases to exist... ;)
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932Johnny J. wrote:
Once you eat it it ceases to exist...
not necessarily. There are multiple instances per package and multiple packages per pig and multiple pigs per farm and multiple farms per country and multiple countries per planet. True, once you consume the one instance it has been freed from memory but not in spirit. You just re-instantiate another bacon object and keep on trucking.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
You just kiss that way?
is there really any other way...except if you are getting a peck from grandma but that is just gross. :)
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I see. Sharp talent for repartee!
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Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language? or to create it from scratch or create it in machine/binary code or assembly code? Also some other questions that are optional that you may answer: - Is there a way for a programming language to be "all-purpose"? (for example this programming language can be used to make games, models, simple applications (like calculators) or anything and EVERYTHING you can imagine) - Is there a way for a programming language to be "self-sustained"? (for example you don't need more than one language like "Lua" to run a massive game like "World of Warcraft" or "Command and Conquer" or any of those games out there or this language does not need support of any kind to run) Any answers will be fully-appreciated. :) Regards, Brandon Proud Member of "The Code Project"
Brandon-hbx12000 wrote:
Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language?
No, because God gave us the first programming language, and he saw that it was good...
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Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language? or to create it from scratch or create it in machine/binary code or assembly code? Also some other questions that are optional that you may answer: - Is there a way for a programming language to be "all-purpose"? (for example this programming language can be used to make games, models, simple applications (like calculators) or anything and EVERYTHING you can imagine) - Is there a way for a programming language to be "self-sustained"? (for example you don't need more than one language like "Lua" to run a massive game like "World of Warcraft" or "Command and Conquer" or any of those games out there or this language does not need support of any kind to run) Any answers will be fully-appreciated. :) Regards, Brandon Proud Member of "The Code Project"
Google syntax analyzers such as Lex , YACC or their modern day equivalents. Compose your meta language. Use above tools to generate a parser in C. Next you will need to find a way to progress to objects and binaries. Then when you have a working compiler for your new language in C, use it to write a subsequent compiler in your new language itself. Check out authors such as Aho and Ullmann.
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Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language? or to create it from scratch or create it in machine/binary code or assembly code? Also some other questions that are optional that you may answer: - Is there a way for a programming language to be "all-purpose"? (for example this programming language can be used to make games, models, simple applications (like calculators) or anything and EVERYTHING you can imagine) - Is there a way for a programming language to be "self-sustained"? (for example you don't need more than one language like "Lua" to run a massive game like "World of Warcraft" or "Command and Conquer" or any of those games out there or this language does not need support of any kind to run) Any answers will be fully-appreciated. :) Regards, Brandon Proud Member of "The Code Project"
Brandon-hbx12000 wrote:
Is there a way to create a programming language without using an existing programming language? or to create it from scratch or create it in machine/binary code or assembly code?
Assembly code is a programming language. But other than that - yes. Forth is a language that starts with a very simple basic structure and then one builds on top of it.
Brandon-hbx12000 wrote:
- Is there a way for a programming language to be "all-purpose"?
No.
Brandon-hbx12000 wrote:
- Is there a way for a programming language to be "self-sustained"?
The question isn't meaningful. A "language" almost never needs "support". Libraries that come with a language probably always need updates. Compilers need updates. Applications written in a language almost always needs updates. And the examples that you provided most definitely would updates.