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[Request] Make 4 votes on articles non-anonymous too?

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    Nish Nishant
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    1,2,3 are already non-anonymous. So those votes are very rare (unless the article totally sucks). So it's mostly 4s and 5s these days. And a 4 is very often cast when an article features in the top-5 on the front page. Making 4 votes non-anonymous would be awesome! Not that I can't take low-votes (taken 100s in my life, can take several 100s more before I am down). But I feel that this would make things better. I bet many other regular authors here would agree with me.

    Regards, Nish


    My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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      1,2,3 are already non-anonymous. So those votes are very rare (unless the article totally sucks). So it's mostly 4s and 5s these days. And a 4 is very often cast when an article features in the top-5 on the front page. Making 4 votes non-anonymous would be awesome! Not that I can't take low-votes (taken 100s in my life, can take several 100s more before I am down). But I feel that this would make things better. I bet many other regular authors here would agree with me.

      Regards, Nish


      My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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      Hans Dietrich
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      I had a suggestion for you, Nish, but I can't remember it now. :doh:

      Best wishes, Hans


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        I had a suggestion for you, Nish, but I can't remember it now. :doh:

        Best wishes, Hans


        [Hans Dietrich Software]

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        Nish Nishant
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        Huh? :~

        Regards, Nish


        My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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        • N Nish Nishant

          1,2,3 are already non-anonymous. So those votes are very rare (unless the article totally sucks). So it's mostly 4s and 5s these days. And a 4 is very often cast when an article features in the top-5 on the front page. Making 4 votes non-anonymous would be awesome! Not that I can't take low-votes (taken 100s in my life, can take several 100s more before I am down). But I feel that this would make things better. I bet many other regular authors here would agree with me.

          Regards, Nish


          My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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          Chris Maunder
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          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

          I bet many other regular authors here would agree with me

          I think Hans had a suggestion for you... Maybe he's forgotten ;)

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

            I bet many other regular authors here would agree with me

            I think Hans had a suggestion for you... Maybe he's forgotten ;)

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            I think Hans had a suggestion for you... Maybe he's forgotten ;)

            :laugh:

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

              I bet many other regular authors here would agree with me

              I think Hans had a suggestion for you... Maybe he's forgotten ;)

              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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              Nish Nishant
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              Seriously though, what's the thinking behind this? If 1, 2, and 3 are non-anonymous, why not 4? :~

              Regards, Nish


              My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                Seriously though, what's the thinking behind this? If 1, 2, and 3 are non-anonymous, why not 4? :~

                Regards, Nish


                My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                Chris Maunder
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                It's nice getting a 4. I want to encourage members to give 4 (and 5!) for great articles. If an article is poor then it helps those looking to sort the wheat from the chaff to get a lower vote (since it means we can provide a x/5 score, instead of just a # upvotes, which is impossible to compare relatively). However, downvotes mean something's wrong, and the entire purpose of CodeProject is to help devs learn, so by forcing a comment on a downvote you are helping explain the issue. Saying something's great doesn't require an explanation.

                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                  It's nice getting a 4. I want to encourage members to give 4 (and 5!) for great articles. If an article is poor then it helps those looking to sort the wheat from the chaff to get a lower vote (since it means we can provide a x/5 score, instead of just a # upvotes, which is impossible to compare relatively). However, downvotes mean something's wrong, and the entire purpose of CodeProject is to help devs learn, so by forcing a comment on a downvote you are helping explain the issue. Saying something's great doesn't require an explanation.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                  Nish Nishant
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                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                  Saying something's great doesn't require an explanation.

                  Yeah I wasn't looking for one. You already automate a comment for 1-3 votes (My vote of x). I was hoping something similar for 4 votes as well. This way anyone voting a 4 will not be inconvenienced at all (except that a comment would be auto-posted under his name revealing his name and vote).

                  Regards, Nish


                  My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    It's nice getting a 4. I want to encourage members to give 4 (and 5!) for great articles. If an article is poor then it helps those looking to sort the wheat from the chaff to get a lower vote (since it means we can provide a x/5 score, instead of just a # upvotes, which is impossible to compare relatively). However, downvotes mean something's wrong, and the entire purpose of CodeProject is to help devs learn, so by forcing a comment on a downvote you are helping explain the issue. Saying something's great doesn't require an explanation.

                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    I'm with Nish on this. 4 has become the new 1, and isn't being used to say an article is great - it's just there to get stuff off the top of the "latest best picks" list, which is counter productive. If an article is great, then a comment saying why you think it's not quite worthy of a 5 should be the least you can do.

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                      I'm with Nish on this. 4 has become the new 1, and isn't being used to say an article is great - it's just there to get stuff off the top of the "latest best picks" list, which is counter productive. If an article is great, then a comment saying why you think it's not quite worthy of a 5 should be the least you can do.

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                      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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                      Chris Maunder
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                      Interesting. I shall tinker.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                        I'm with Nish on this. 4 has become the new 1, and isn't being used to say an article is great - it's just there to get stuff off the top of the "latest best picks" list, which is counter productive. If an article is great, then a comment saying why you think it's not quite worthy of a 5 should be the least you can do.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                        I'm with Nish on this. 4 has become the new 1

                        Thank you. 4 is indeed the new 1. And 4s are most often cast by *gasp* Platinum authors.

                        Regards, Nish


                        My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                          Interesting. I shall tinker.

                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                          Nish Nishant
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                          Awesome! :thumbsup:

                          Regards, Nish


                          My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                            I'm with Nish on this. 4 has become the new 1, and isn't being used to say an article is great - it's just there to get stuff off the top of the "latest best picks" list, which is counter productive. If an article is great, then a comment saying why you think it's not quite worthy of a 5 should be the least you can do.

                            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                            "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                            Luc Pattyn
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                            IMO article votes should always be non-anonymous and invite to comment. That is the way to provide an honnest voting system; as long as voting different scores takes different amounts of effort, or has different side-effects, the voting system is biasing the results; which obviously it shouldn't. Now if 4 were non-anonymous and 5 were still anonymous, we would probably see fewer 4's and more 5's for the same article, effectively compressing the scale even further than it is already. A very bad idea. I never understood why anonymous article votes should be possible; is there anything wrong in saying you liked or disliked an article? If we can store all the rep stuff, adding one message (if there isn't one already) to each article vote won't swamp the disks, will it? :confused:

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                              IMO article votes should always be non-anonymous and invite to comment. That is the way to provide an honnest voting system; as long as voting different scores takes different amounts of effort, or has different side-effects, the voting system is biasing the results; which obviously it shouldn't. Now if 4 were non-anonymous and 5 were still anonymous, we would probably see fewer 4's and more 5's for the same article, effectively compressing the scale even further than it is already. A very bad idea. I never understood why anonymous article votes should be possible; is there anything wrong in saying you liked or disliked an article? If we can store all the rep stuff, adding one message (if there isn't one already) to each article vote won't swamp the disks, will it? :confused:

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                              Nish Nishant
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                              Luc Pattyn wrote:

                              IMO article votes should always be non-anonymous

                              That's basically what I am suggesting here. wasn't that clear from the original message?

                              Regards, Nish


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                                Interesting. I shall tinker.

                                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                Awesome mate. Simply awesome.:thumbsup:

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                                  Luc Pattyn wrote:

                                  IMO article votes should always be non-anonymous

                                  That's basically what I am suggesting here. wasn't that clear from the original message?

                                  Regards, Nish


                                  My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                                  Luc Pattyn
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                                  Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                  wasn't that clear from the original message?

                                  No it wasn't, at least not to me. The subject line says 4, not 4 and 5. So does the message. Changing how 4 works without changing 5 would be very bad, changing both to mimic the behavior of the system when voting 1,2, or 3 would be good. :)

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                                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                    wasn't that clear from the original message?

                                    No it wasn't, at least not to me. The subject line says 4, not 4 and 5. So does the message. Changing how 4 works without changing 5 would be very bad, changing both to mimic the behavior of the system when voting 1,2, or 3 would be good. :)

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                                    Nish Nishant
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                                    Luc Pattyn wrote:

                                    No it wasn't, at least not to me. The subject line says 4, not 4 and 5. So does the message.

                                    Well everyone who votes 5 makes it a point to say so :-) If Chris makes 4 non-anonymous I bet he'd also make 5 non-anonymous. BTW I am a little annoyed that my OP got voted down. :|

                                    Regards, Nish


                                    My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                                      Luc Pattyn wrote:

                                      No it wasn't, at least not to me. The subject line says 4, not 4 and 5. So does the message.

                                      Well everyone who votes 5 makes it a point to say so :-) If Chris makes 4 non-anonymous I bet he'd also make 5 non-anonymous. BTW I am a little annoyed that my OP got voted down. :|

                                      Regards, Nish


                                      My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                                      Chris Maunder
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                                      You realise this will result in a dramatic drop in up-votes, right?

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                        Luc Pattyn wrote:

                                        No it wasn't, at least not to me. The subject line says 4, not 4 and 5. So does the message.

                                        Well everyone who votes 5 makes it a point to say so :-) If Chris makes 4 non-anonymous I bet he'd also make 5 non-anonymous. BTW I am a little annoyed that my OP got voted down. :|

                                        Regards, Nish


                                        My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Part 2 in my WinRT/C++ series : Visual C++ and WinRT/Metro - Databinding Basics

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                                        Luc Pattyn
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                                        I down-voted your message, as I completely disagreed. If it were advocating non-annonymous 4's AND 5's I would have agreed and would have upvoted. Isn't that what the voting system is for, to express appreciation and/or agreement? :)

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                                          I down-voted your message, as I completely disagreed. If it were advocating non-annonymous 4's AND 5's I would have agreed and would have upvoted. Isn't that what the voting system is for, to express appreciation and/or agreement? :)

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                                          Chris Maunder
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                                          I upvoted you for that. But I'm not leaving a comment. Oh, hang on... :doh:

                                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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