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  • C Chris Maunder

    Yes, this is aimed squarly at US developers. I'm sorry, but there are other countries in the world and it really, really helps your country's economy when you allow these unwashed foreigner types to buy from you. My latest (in a series) was a site that was extremely helpful in suggesting a corrected address for me:

    Incorrect address:
    Chris Maunder
    250 Ferrand Dr
    Toronto, ON M3C3G8
    Canada

    Suggested Address:
    250 Ferrand Dr
    Toronto, ON
    USA

    No, I really think I managed to get it right the first time. Trust me. But while I'm on the topic it's extremely frustrating when: - the site insists that postal codes are 5 digits (or it's an Australian site that thinks the only postcode in the world is a 4 digit one) - the site offers you the ability to choose any country, but no way to choose anything other than 1 of the "standard" 50 states. - the site won't accept credit cards from non-US addresses - (a little specific) the site uses a .ca website, is based in the US, and then won't ship to Canada.

    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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    GuyThiebaut
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    Yes - I've hit similar issues with Spanish addresses and Spanish names in my work. In Spain people have two surnames - Just imagine what happens when you try to transfer data between databases...

    Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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    • C Chris Maunder

      Again??

      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      Dave Kreskowiak
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      Yes, we just made it the largest of the US National Parks.

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      • C Chris Maunder

        Yes, this is aimed squarly at US developers. I'm sorry, but there are other countries in the world and it really, really helps your country's economy when you allow these unwashed foreigner types to buy from you. My latest (in a series) was a site that was extremely helpful in suggesting a corrected address for me:

        Incorrect address:
        Chris Maunder
        250 Ferrand Dr
        Toronto, ON M3C3G8
        Canada

        Suggested Address:
        250 Ferrand Dr
        Toronto, ON
        USA

        No, I really think I managed to get it right the first time. Trust me. But while I'm on the topic it's extremely frustrating when: - the site insists that postal codes are 5 digits (or it's an Australian site that thinks the only postcode in the world is a 4 digit one) - the site offers you the ability to choose any country, but no way to choose anything other than 1 of the "standard" 50 states. - the site won't accept credit cards from non-US addresses - (a little specific) the site uses a .ca website, is based in the US, and then won't ship to Canada.

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        Andrew Rissing
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        Dang it! The final take over of Canada was supposed to take place next week. Someone updated the website before it was supposed to. ;-)

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        • C Chris Maunder

          Again??

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          Chris Meech
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          Don't worry Chris. The annexation occurs about every 2 or 3 years. One day, I think they'll get it correct and ask us to take over them. :)

          Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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          • C Chris Maunder

            It's not a simple answer, it's a simplistic answer. Sometimes there simply is no other supplier. I'm all for making a point (Lord knows...) but when I need a carbon fibre aerodynamic bottle top opener that matches the exact colour of my bike and there's only one place to get it, and they won't give it to me, things get ugly. Real ugly.

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            carbon fibre aerodynamic bottle top opener

            Like of what use would be a bottle top opener be while biking? Or do you use it to break the fingers of people that cut you off in traffic? Cheers!

            "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."

            Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Again??

              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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              Christopher Duncan
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              We're thinking about giving Texas back to Mexico and need a place to store all our stuff until we can rent a big enough warehouse.

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              • M Manfred Rudolf Bihy

                Chris Maunder wrote:

                carbon fibre aerodynamic bottle top opener

                Like of what use would be a bottle top opener be while biking? Or do you use it to break the fingers of people that cut you off in traffic? Cheers!

                "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."

                Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                I think it's to impress the ladies. :cool:

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  Yes, this is aimed squarly at US developers. I'm sorry, but there are other countries in the world and it really, really helps your country's economy when you allow these unwashed foreigner types to buy from you. My latest (in a series) was a site that was extremely helpful in suggesting a corrected address for me:

                  Incorrect address:
                  Chris Maunder
                  250 Ferrand Dr
                  Toronto, ON M3C3G8
                  Canada

                  Suggested Address:
                  250 Ferrand Dr
                  Toronto, ON
                  USA

                  No, I really think I managed to get it right the first time. Trust me. But while I'm on the topic it's extremely frustrating when: - the site insists that postal codes are 5 digits (or it's an Australian site that thinks the only postcode in the world is a 4 digit one) - the site offers you the ability to choose any country, but no way to choose anything other than 1 of the "standard" 50 states. - the site won't accept credit cards from non-US addresses - (a little specific) the site uses a .ca website, is based in the US, and then won't ship to Canada.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                  thrakazog
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                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                  Yes, this is aimed squarly at US developers.

                  come at me bro :laugh: I work for a company that sells products globally. We just updated our sales website for Americatown. Only people in the US can place and receive orders from it. If America's Hat wants to buy something from us they need to hit the Canadian version of our site that was built completely different by/for Canadians. And so on in many other countries. You might think one big website that that services the world would be a better idea.... And you'd be right! :sigh:

                  Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]

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                  • C Chris Meech

                    Don't worry Chris. The annexation occurs about every 2 or 3 years. One day, I think they'll get it correct and ask us to take over them. :)

                    Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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                    Chris Maunder
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                    We're meant to apologise to the invading forces when they arrive, eh?

                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                    • M Manfred Rudolf Bihy

                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                      carbon fibre aerodynamic bottle top opener

                      Like of what use would be a bottle top opener be while biking? Or do you use it to break the fingers of people that cut you off in traffic? Cheers!

                      "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."

                      Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

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                      Chris Maunder
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                      Apres ride. One needs to be prepared.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        We're meant to apologise to the invading forces when they arrive, eh?

                        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                        Chris Meech
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                        Yup. I've got an extra two-four cooling in the garage. Just in case they are thirsty after all that hard work. :)

                        Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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                        • T thrakazog

                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          Yes, this is aimed squarly at US developers.

                          come at me bro :laugh: I work for a company that sells products globally. We just updated our sales website for Americatown. Only people in the US can place and receive orders from it. If America's Hat wants to buy something from us they need to hit the Canadian version of our site that was built completely different by/for Canadians. And so on in many other countries. You might think one big website that that services the world would be a better idea.... And you'd be right! :sigh:

                          Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]

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                          BobJanova
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                          This isn't too bad if the .com automatically redirects to your local site (like Amazon and various others).

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                          • B BobJanova

                            This isn't too bad if the .com automatically redirects to your local site (like Amazon and various others).

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                            thrakazog
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                            You wish ;P ;P ;P

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              Yes, this is aimed squarly at US developers. I'm sorry, but there are other countries in the world and it really, really helps your country's economy when you allow these unwashed foreigner types to buy from you. My latest (in a series) was a site that was extremely helpful in suggesting a corrected address for me:

                              Incorrect address:
                              Chris Maunder
                              250 Ferrand Dr
                              Toronto, ON M3C3G8
                              Canada

                              Suggested Address:
                              250 Ferrand Dr
                              Toronto, ON
                              USA

                              No, I really think I managed to get it right the first time. Trust me. But while I'm on the topic it's extremely frustrating when: - the site insists that postal codes are 5 digits (or it's an Australian site that thinks the only postcode in the world is a 4 digit one) - the site offers you the ability to choose any country, but no way to choose anything other than 1 of the "standard" 50 states. - the site won't accept credit cards from non-US addresses - (a little specific) the site uses a .ca website, is based in the US, and then won't ship to Canada.

                              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                              TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                              Yeah, I'm an American and when I see shiite like what you describe I alwasy cringe and wonder what people from other countries think. Now I know... It's just what I thought.

                              Chris Maunder wrote:

                              - (a little specific) the site uses a .ca website, is based in the US, and then won't ship to Canada.

                              ROTFFLMFAO!!!!!

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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                                I thought that was Indiana? I know Prince Charles was once In Diana.

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                                Gary Wheeler
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                                Based on the evidence, it was at least twice.

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                                • C Christopher Duncan

                                  We annexed Canada last month. Didn't you get the memo? :-D

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                                  He couldn't get the memo because the email program is just as broken in this regard as web sites.

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    Yes, this is aimed squarly at US developers. I'm sorry, but there are other countries in the world and it really, really helps your country's economy when you allow these unwashed foreigner types to buy from you. My latest (in a series) was a site that was extremely helpful in suggesting a corrected address for me:

                                    Incorrect address:
                                    Chris Maunder
                                    250 Ferrand Dr
                                    Toronto, ON M3C3G8
                                    Canada

                                    Suggested Address:
                                    250 Ferrand Dr
                                    Toronto, ON
                                    USA

                                    No, I really think I managed to get it right the first time. Trust me. But while I'm on the topic it's extremely frustrating when: - the site insists that postal codes are 5 digits (or it's an Australian site that thinks the only postcode in the world is a 4 digit one) - the site offers you the ability to choose any country, but no way to choose anything other than 1 of the "standard" 50 states. - the site won't accept credit cards from non-US addresses - (a little specific) the site uses a .ca website, is based in the US, and then won't ship to Canada.

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                    jschell
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                                    To be fair though one should note... Why don't you buy from from the country you are in? Selling something to someone in a foreign country in the US is not just a matter of accepting payment and shipping it. There are laws in the US and the foreign countries to deal with. And developers are not lawyers. Retailers don't do their own credit card processing. They are limited to what their service provider allows. Even certification for other card types is not only more difficult but can impact other aspects of credit processing selection. Developers often create based on business requirements. Just because the sales dept insisted on a country selection on the form doesn't mean that anything else is suited for international sales. Testing a site for international sales requires testing for many, many cultures. It isn't just a matter of seeing if the language works. There aren't a lot of companies that can afford to test say in 200 different cultural settings. So one needs to make a best guess effort. Finally realistically were you buying the web site or the product on the website? Compare it to eating lunch - does every restaurant provide an ideal entry way? Ideal seating at every table? Ideal lighting? Plenty of indoor and outdoor seating regardless of season and time of day? Certainly the places I go to don't - but I like the food which is the point.

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                                      To be fair though one should note... Why don't you buy from from the country you are in? Selling something to someone in a foreign country in the US is not just a matter of accepting payment and shipping it. There are laws in the US and the foreign countries to deal with. And developers are not lawyers. Retailers don't do their own credit card processing. They are limited to what their service provider allows. Even certification for other card types is not only more difficult but can impact other aspects of credit processing selection. Developers often create based on business requirements. Just because the sales dept insisted on a country selection on the form doesn't mean that anything else is suited for international sales. Testing a site for international sales requires testing for many, many cultures. It isn't just a matter of seeing if the language works. There aren't a lot of companies that can afford to test say in 200 different cultural settings. So one needs to make a best guess effort. Finally realistically were you buying the web site or the product on the website? Compare it to eating lunch - does every restaurant provide an ideal entry way? Ideal seating at every table? Ideal lighting? Plenty of indoor and outdoor seating regardless of season and time of day? Certainly the places I go to don't - but I like the food which is the point.

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                                      Chris Maunder
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                                      As I mentioned before: sometimes the only place you can find things is in another country. Decent coffee, for instance...

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                        Based on the evidence, it was at least twice.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        Gary Wheeler wrote:

                                        Based on the evidence, it was at least twice.

                                        Come on Gary, no way is Harry Charlie's boy!

                                        Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                        • C Chris Maunder

                                          It's not a simple answer, it's a simplistic answer. Sometimes there simply is no other supplier. I'm all for making a point (Lord knows...) but when I need a carbon fibre aerodynamic bottle top opener that matches the exact colour of my bike and there's only one place to get it, and they won't give it to me, things get ugly. Real ugly.

                                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                                          I'm all for making a point (Lord knows...) but when I need a carbon fibre aerodynamic bottle top opener that matches the exact colour of my bike and there's only one place to get it, and they won't give it to me, things get ugly. Real ugly.

                                          My bikes blue and the birthday party is on 4 weeks from tomorrow.

                                          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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