Global warming 'confirmed' by independent study
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You're forgetting the cost of necessary upgrades[^] of the electric grid. And the usability of the electric cars are lacking a lot, considering added weight, range and recharge time. I still claim it's mostly for the city. Here's[^] an interesting link.
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Just to say thanks for the lowtech link. :thumbsup:
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There's plenty of sensible info on that page. The authors are obviously green to the core but they don't discard reality like so many others do. There's a sistersite that's called notechmagazine/[^] which is having a slightly different approach, which you can read directly underneith the title.
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The Earth's surface really is getting warmer, a new analysis by a US scientific group set up in the wake of the "Climategate" affair has concluded.
The study is by Berkeley Earth Project[^], an 'independent' group who were set up and funded by climate change sceptics. Who'd have thunk it.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
The Earth's surface really is getting warmer
But it has yet to be proven the cause.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Upgrades are necessary, recharging only at night is a dealbreaker for most people. The majority of the people want to be able to recharge/refuel in just a couple of minutes, and more importantly, they want to be able to visit their relatives in that other town across the country without stopping over the night for recharging three times. So electric cars will be nothing but a hyped niche until performance and range get closer to what they get in a diesel car.
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
Ok so upgrade. Upgrades to the grid would be necessary soon enough anyway even without electric cars (here at least). Battery swap (as in Fluence Z.E.) would almost solve the problem though; they could be charged at night, and give low "refueling" time. But it only has a range of 100 miles. And the Tesla Model S has a range of 300 miles (not quite diesel car range, but at least not pathetic like other electric cars) and has better performance and handling than many diesel cars, but of course it's expensive and not even available yet.
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Science meticulously verifies, people on the internet bluster. So it goes. I wonder why this Berkeley group didn't recruit some of the people on this board with their obviously scary talent for climate science.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
The Earth's surface really is getting warmer
But it has yet to be proven the cause.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
But it has yet to be proven the cause.
Absoloutely. The GW advocates would hve us believe that all natural forces stopped 100 years ago, and since then CP2 has been the principle driver of climate. Of course CO2 has some effect, the problem is knowing how much. And since there are historical temperatures rises as great and as rapid as the recent rise, in the absence of increased CO2, then the AGW argument is weak. Even if it werent, and see my response to Nagy, there is no need for alarm, since the most we will see even IF CO2 is the principle driver is 1 degree C. A rise that will cause no problems at all, and in fact will benefit the planet.
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Ok so upgrade. Upgrades to the grid would be necessary soon enough anyway even without electric cars (here at least). Battery swap (as in Fluence Z.E.) would almost solve the problem though; they could be charged at night, and give low "refueling" time. But it only has a range of 100 miles. And the Tesla Model S has a range of 300 miles (not quite diesel car range, but at least not pathetic like other electric cars) and has better performance and handling than many diesel cars, but of course it's expensive and not even available yet.
Ever given it a thought how much it would cost to upgrade the power grid and the production capacity with at least 50%?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
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Ever given it a thought how much it would cost to upgrade the power grid and the production capacity with at least 50%?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
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Just because the direct cost would be ending up on someone else doesn't mean it won't cost anything. And adding a lot of peak capacity will have to be payed by someone, in the form of a substantially higher price per kWh for the customers.
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
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Science meticulously verifies, people on the internet bluster. So it goes. I wonder why this Berkeley group didn't recruit some of the people on this board with their obviously scary talent for climate science.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Science meticulously verifies
As in the BEST paper Decadal variations in the global atmospheric land temperatures[^] - Muller R A, et al: If the long-term AMO [Atlantic Mutidecadal Oscillation index] changes have been driven by greenhouse gases then the AMO region may serve as a positive feedback that amplifies the effect of greenhouse gas forcing over land. On the other hand, some of the long-term change in the AMO could be driven by natural variability, e.g. fluctuations in thermohaline flow. In that case the human component of global warming may be somewhat overestimated. Let verification commence. BTW: The paper - along with:
- Influence of urban heating on the global temperature land average using rural sites identified from MODIS classifications[^]
- Berkeley Earth temperature averaging process[^]
- Earth atmospheric land surface temperature and station quality[^]
- has not yet been peer reviewed and published.
Be dogmatic, not thoughtful. It's easier, and you get bumper stickers.- Anon.
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Just because the direct cost would be ending up on someone else doesn't mean it won't cost anything. And adding a lot of peak capacity will have to be payed by someone, in the form of a substantially higher price per kWh for the customers.
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
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Science meticulously verifies, people on the internet bluster. So it goes. I wonder why this Berkeley group didn't recruit some of the people on this board with their obviously scary talent for climate science.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
scary talented experts
Strawman, WristiSlaps. I shall continue to take an interest in the subject of climate science, and, although not a talented expert, I shall continue to express my opinion that what is needed is more research over the next 20 years, to determine whether adaptation or mitigation are the preferred options. (Should the evidence change, my opinion will, of course, change.) (Scary? Well, next door's cats are scared of me, but that's about it.)
Be dogmatic, not thoughtful. It's easier, and you get bumper stickers.- Anon.
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I really don't understand why people go to university to study things anymore, Google is clearly enough.
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I really don't understand why people go to university to study things anymore, Google is clearly enough.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
I really don't understand why people go to university to study things anymore, Google is clearly enough.
Of course Google is enough! Doctors always think it's just the common cold, but Google knows better . . . ;P
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My accountant is just about to tell me which antihypertensive I should put this guy on
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