Bad programming and author's suggestion for alternate careers!!!
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
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Oxfords English < Official CCC Players Dictionary Excuse me for my improper grammar and typos. It's because English is my primary language, not my first language. My first languages are C# and Java. VB, ASP, JS, PHP and SQL are my second language. Indonesian came as my third language. My fourth language? I'm still creating it, I'll let you know when it's done! :-D
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Oxfords English < Official CCC Players Dictionary Excuse me for my improper grammar and typos. It's because English is my primary language, not my first language. My first languages are C# and Java. VB, ASP, JS, PHP and SQL are my second language. Indonesian came as my third language. My fourth language? I'm still creating it, I'll let you know when it's done! :-D
So what if it's been mentioned before? A topic is only allowed to be talked about once here? Who says?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
ShabanaParveen wrote:
indentation, white spaces or unused variable
So, you're telling us that you don't indent code or use white space for formatting, and declare and possibly initialise variables that you then don't use?
ShabanaParveen wrote:
I myself not clean person while coding
I'll resist the temptation to joke about personal hygiene, but frankly, if your code is messy (and, if it's not indented or laid out nicely, and is full of variables that aren't actually used then it is) I don't want to have to work on it.
ShabanaParveen wrote:
that doesn't mean we do not know logic.
No, it doesn't . And knowing logic alone does not a good programmer make.
ShabanaParveen wrote:
How the author can be judgmental and arrogant
ShabanaParveen wrote:
I am quite sure he will fail in it...
Surely you're being "judgmental and arrogant" here? Also, the article is about 10 pages long, and you hone in one one or two small aspects to vent your angst upon? I await your first CodeProject article with bated breath :)
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Oxfords English < Official CCC Players Dictionary Excuse me for my improper grammar and typos. It's because English is my primary language, not my first language. My first languages are C# and Java. VB, ASP, JS, PHP and SQL are my second language. Indonesian came as my third language. My fourth language? I'm still creating it, I'll let you know when it's done! :-D
The OP did mention finding the link in their email (probably the newsletter). And the message wasn't just to post a link to that page (that was just for background). The message is to express an opinion, which wasn't the same as in the message you linked to. Not a repost, purposely from the newsletter.
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
There are places for programmers of your proclivities. They are not places I want to be (though, unfortunately, they are places I have been). I like my code indented, with consistent white space, and free of cruft (e.g., unused variables). I write "unclean" code when I'm first making something, but I make sure to clean it up before it makes its way into anybody else's hands. Cleaner code is easier to read. To leave your code unclean is just lazy. When you go to a restaurant, would you be fine with unclean floors and a poorly formatted menu? When reading a Wikipedia article, would it be easy reading an article with an inconsistent layout and poor use of punctuation? Order and thoughtfulness are key signs of professionalism. If you lack those traits, you are probably not yet a professional, or you are paid to be one but anybody who has to maintain your code in the future will know otherwise.
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
I don't care how logical you are; if you write code that is hard to read, hard to maintain, and hard to test you should seriously consider another career path. I don't care how brilliant you may think yourself to be, if you work for me, and the rest of my staff can't understand what you've written, nor maintain it effectively years from now, you're fired. I don't need your arrogance, or incompetence to drag my organization down. The proper use of white space, indentation, and simply cleaning up after yourself when you're done by removing unused variables is simple housekeeping, and failing to do so greatly increases the life-cycle cost of your products. The cost of your output in code, in case you're not aware of it, is about one fifth the total cost of supporting it through its life cycle. If your lousy habits and general laziness add to the support costs of keeping your products viable, nobody needs you. Go back to flipping burgers, or herding sheep - whatever you're good at. You're certainly contributing nothing of value to the software development world. Go away, get out of our world - you have nothing to offer, and we have no need of your imaginary skills.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I don't care how logical you are; if you write code that is hard to read, hard to maintain, and hard to test you should seriously consider another career path. I don't care how brilliant you may think yourself to be, if you work for me, and the rest of my staff can't understand what you've written, nor maintain it effectively years from now, you're fired. I don't need your arrogance, or incompetence to drag my organization down. The proper use of white space, indentation, and simply cleaning up after yourself when you're done by removing unused variables is simple housekeeping, and failing to do so greatly increases the life-cycle cost of your products. The cost of your output in code, in case you're not aware of it, is about one fifth the total cost of supporting it through its life cycle. If your lousy habits and general laziness add to the support costs of keeping your products viable, nobody needs you. Go back to flipping burgers, or herding sheep - whatever you're good at. You're certainly contributing nothing of value to the software development world. Go away, get out of our world - you have nothing to offer, and we have no need of your imaginary skills.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
For Heavens sake, proper indenting is just a key combination away (at least in Visual Studio). Press Ctrl+K,F and you are done. And unused variables are just a compilation away. Compile your code and get rid of all the warnings that say: Variable is initialized but never used. How hard could it be? I personally never stop raising my voice against people who don't care about these things because I seriously believe in clean code. Logic is not the only thing that matters. There are a lot of other things to good programming. Learn those.
A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God
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There are places for programmers of your proclivities. They are not places I want to be (though, unfortunately, they are places I have been). I like my code indented, with consistent white space, and free of cruft (e.g., unused variables). I write "unclean" code when I'm first making something, but I make sure to clean it up before it makes its way into anybody else's hands. Cleaner code is easier to read. To leave your code unclean is just lazy. When you go to a restaurant, would you be fine with unclean floors and a poorly formatted menu? When reading a Wikipedia article, would it be easy reading an article with an inconsistent layout and poor use of punctuation? Order and thoughtfulness are key signs of professionalism. If you lack those traits, you are probably not yet a professional, or you are paid to be one but anybody who has to maintain your code in the future will know otherwise.
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
To leave your code unclean is just lazy.
Not to mention, unsanitary... Wear your rubbers, as Mom always said when it was pouring outside... :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
To leave your code unclean is just lazy.
Not to mention, unsanitary... Wear your rubbers, as Mom always said when it was pouring outside... :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
:laugh: Code, not cod. ;)
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
ShabanaParveen wrote:
How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career
Because, from the description, the author actually knows more than a gnat's chuff about what it takes to be a decent programmer?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
I can be sloppy in my code just as everyone else can be. However there is no reason to not accept criticism and correct code as needed and learn something new - even after 22 years of programming in a career. I never tire of learning new things and I believe anyone who does should probably not be programming...
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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Oxfords English < Official CCC Players Dictionary Excuse me for my improper grammar and typos. It's because English is my primary language, not my first language. My first languages are C# and Java. VB, ASP, JS, PHP and SQL are my second language. Indonesian came as my third language. My fourth language? I'm still creating it, I'll let you know when it's done! :-D
Upvoted for link to discussion.
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I don't care how logical you are; if you write code that is hard to read, hard to maintain, and hard to test you should seriously consider another career path. I don't care how brilliant you may think yourself to be, if you work for me, and the rest of my staff can't understand what you've written, nor maintain it effectively years from now, you're fired. I don't need your arrogance, or incompetence to drag my organization down. The proper use of white space, indentation, and simply cleaning up after yourself when you're done by removing unused variables is simple housekeeping, and failing to do so greatly increases the life-cycle cost of your products. The cost of your output in code, in case you're not aware of it, is about one fifth the total cost of supporting it through its life cycle. If your lousy habits and general laziness add to the support costs of keeping your products viable, nobody needs you. Go back to flipping burgers, or herding sheep - whatever you're good at. You're certainly contributing nothing of value to the software development world. Go away, get out of our world - you have nothing to offer, and we have no need of your imaginary skills.
Will Rogers never met me.
Go on Roger give him both barrels, don't be restrained. The poor bastard was probably looking for some support and sympathy against some tyrannical format pedant he has to deal with (I wonder if he is in one of our teams) and ended up in the crapper! :laugh:
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
ShabanaParveen wrote:
I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic.
You're right, it doesn't. It does mean, though, that when I come along three weeks later to fix something in your code you have just made my job a lot harder than it needs to be. What it points to, is that you aren't necessarily not suited for a career as a programmer, just that you are lazy and inconsiderate.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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Checking my emails I fumbled into a article refered as link about bad programming http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/[^] I really do not believe the crap mentioned there for indentation, white spaces or unused variable(I should have added these are not major faults but nice to learn that doesn't mean u r n idiot). I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic. How the author can be judgemental and arrogant, he/she even suggested alternate career.
I think the author nailed it. Plenty of examples to be found right here every day.
Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation - Len Goodman
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I don't care how logical you are; if you write code that is hard to read, hard to maintain, and hard to test you should seriously consider another career path. I don't care how brilliant you may think yourself to be, if you work for me, and the rest of my staff can't understand what you've written, nor maintain it effectively years from now, you're fired. I don't need your arrogance, or incompetence to drag my organization down. The proper use of white space, indentation, and simply cleaning up after yourself when you're done by removing unused variables is simple housekeeping, and failing to do so greatly increases the life-cycle cost of your products. The cost of your output in code, in case you're not aware of it, is about one fifth the total cost of supporting it through its life cycle. If your lousy habits and general laziness add to the support costs of keeping your products viable, nobody needs you. Go back to flipping burgers, or herding sheep - whatever you're good at. You're certainly contributing nothing of value to the software development world. Go away, get out of our world - you have nothing to offer, and we have no need of your imaginary skills.
Will Rogers never met me.
Well Roger, First of all I am not against learning or cleaning the code ... but suggestion for alternate careers is really sad and that is what I my comment was for!!! And from your reply, it seems you have personal problem hence you are commenting get out of world and so and so.... This world belong to everyone. I m dissappointed that learned people such closed mind... Anyway speak what you want to speak!!!
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ShabanaParveen wrote:
I myself not clean person while coding but that doesn't mean we do not know logic.
You're right, it doesn't. It does mean, though, that when I come along three weeks later to fix something in your code you have just made my job a lot harder than it needs to be. What it points to, is that you aren't necessarily not suited for a career as a programmer, just that you are lazy and inconsiderate.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Thanks Pete, learning doesn't hurt and it is always good but suggesting peopl other career.. Looking down is not at all right attitude... There is always someone better than you is my philosphy so always I find it disconcerting when people looked down at others. They can be at receiving end too...
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I think the author nailed it. Plenty of examples to be found right here every day.
Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation - Len Goodman
I do agree with this... but my problem is only with career suggestions!!
