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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Well, at least there's that. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the f***!?". The opinions of those several are unimportant. At least they've got their copies of "Loaded" to look forward to at lunchtime. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. You are not the only one and I will now tell you what I think. Even if I did not agree with what Anna has done, I wouldn't be so crass as to proclaim my unwanted opinon on a public messageboard unless she asked for it. If you don't want to offer your congratulations then don't but I believe, it is better to err on the side of caution and not post a negative comment unless you think there is adequate justification. If for example, I post a message saying how much I like cats, I expect to hear from people who also like cats. I guess someone like you (assuming for a sec. that you don't like cats) would feel quite OK about posting a message saying how you hate the mangy things and how you'd shoot them if you could. You'd then proclaim that it is your freedom of speech etc. which means that you should be allowed to say what you like with the defence that "you are only being honest", as if that is some God-given talent. Well, it isn't, and while in most cases I appreciate your input to these forums, your casual condemnation of someone's personal choice just seems deliberately spiteful. I wonder why you feel the need to do this? Incidentally, the reason I replied to you isn't because I believe you personally should be accepting or tolerant, I just believe you should observe a certain etiquette - and that is, to only give a valid opinion if it's asked for, required or constructive. the sad thing is that I actually enjoy reading most of your posts as you do seem reasonably intelligent and informed and best of all, you really do say what you think, but I just don't see the need for humourless spite which is what you always reserve for Anna for some reason... "
I don't "reserve" spite for anybody in particular, and believe me - what I posted is severely edited and toned down from what I was originally going to post because even *I* considered it a little over the top. I observed my own etiquette, and I try not to say anything I will regret later. I am of the opinion that Andy doesn't look anything like a female - at all - not even close. Being honest isn't a "talent", but it's mighty damn scarce any more. So scare in fact, that it's considered rude and unacceptable to say anything that might even hint at being an honest statement. It takes a lot more effort to lie or be politically correct (which is a truth wrapped with a lie) than it does to be truthful, and being less than honest doesn't do anyone any good. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Don't worry Jason - I was joking! I'll be pre-op until I've been in year in role...and then I have to find about £15,000 to pay for surgery before I can finally put it all behind me. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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Bah, ignore John, he just doesn't seem able to grasp the concept that someone can be so different to the norm and just how important it is not to suppress who you are (I am all too familiar with the emotional problems and shame that breeds). John, if you do read this, it takes more guts to admit something like this to yourself that I think you've ever had in you, let alone take the extraordinarily hard step to approach those you love and care about with it. If you think you've experienced insecurities, unadulterated fear and a kind of melancholy hopelessness that even Wordsworth couldn't put onto paper, then trust me mate – you haven't even sighted the iceberg, let alone scraped it. And those people who don't care about Anna don't matter – life doesn't work like that; never has and never will do. In your own choice phrases: I doubt Anna could give a shit what you think of her. Now that's over with, welcome back Anna! I hope this year will be a good one - well done! :rose: I'm looking forward to that new version of ResOrg – it's one of the few adding for VS that I actually use. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I don't recall coming in stating that I was trying to be everybody's friend, politcally correct, understanding, or to coddle whiners, or humour the sick and twisted, and I didn't see "Support Group" on the door when I walked in, so kiss my ass. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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what those germans do in their own homes is their own business Hmm - did you know your profile still has the bear, not the tigress? (I had some problems with my photo resetting back to an old one too) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
Benjy, you might need to delete the temporary files, I did :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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So I have just discovered. Nice moustache Navy boy ... didn't you used to be in The Village People? :laugh: :laugh:
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
Oh my god, you are so witty. I have no responce. You have bested me yet again. Are you related to Michelle? ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. Andy, everyone at your job knows you as a guy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the fuck!?". Make no mistake abut it, this WILL affect your ability to do your job, and it will affect your co-workers' ability as well. Everybody's been great? Does "being great" mean they're simply not openly disgusted with the idea, or that they honestly think you're doing the right thing? You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. John, lord knows I don't agree with this nor think it's right in any form. You know as well as I do, there are "girlie" guys who quite frankly don't deserve a dick anyway. But, it's their life to do with whatever they choose - just like you and I can both choose to be proud of our manhood. Oh, just remember, you're not going to find too many manly, burly guys that don't give a damn what people think on CP ya know - just a few. Chances are, if there were more here, you'd have more support in your views. Just remember the type of people you're preaching to when venting. Jeremy Falcon Imputek Excrement escapes everyone - even elders.
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I don't agree with what Anna has done with his life, but its his life. I'd rather not hear about it like John, but I think he has just as much of a right to post (in the soapbox) as anyone else. John does say what he feels, but that can get you into trouble. Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be [EDIT]vocal[/EDIT] about your feelings.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: think he has just as much of a right to post (in the soapbox) as anyone else. Even if I totally disagree with what JS said, you're right (yes, you correctly read, I've said you're right ;)), he can express his opinion freely (as long as it isn't a direct call to hatred, xenophobia or racism), that's the purpose of the Soapbox. Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be honest about your feelings. It's probably right from a diplomatic point of view, but what about the conscience? Even if I know I'm saying something which will put me in trouble, I have to say it better than being hypocritical
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
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Today is my first day back at work as me. Everybody's been great and I feel totally at ease (though I was pretty nervous when I arrived!). "Andy" is well and truly gone now. :) As you can imagine, Christmas was pretty strange this year (I transitioned on Christmas Day) and being offline with no phone or internet connection I had to be rather creative to keep myself busy. After getting bored earlier this week I managed to put my coding head on for a while, as a result of which I've got a new version of ResOrg[^] in the pipeline, with support for (at last!) multi-file conflict analysis. :cool: There's still a lot to do before I dare let it out the door, but so far it looks like a very useful update on the last version (1.4.2). Watch this space... Anna :rose: My cable modem and phone are being installed on Wednesday, so here's to broadband! :beer: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Personally, anyone that has enough conviction to take on what Anna did deserves alot of credit. You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to like it, but you should atleast recognize the strength that it took to achieve what she did. With all the potential losses that could have come from this (job/familly/freinds/etc...) she stuck with it and followed through. Cheers, and good luck is all I have to say. And to think that I still can't decide what kind of a tatoo I would want...
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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Welll, technically, it required that they be removed... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Maybe what I should have said was - bet ya don't have the balls to do that again! :laugh: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Jason Henderson wrote: think he has just as much of a right to post (in the soapbox) as anyone else. Even if I totally disagree with what JS said, you're right (yes, you correctly read, I've said you're right ;)), he can express his opinion freely (as long as it isn't a direct call to hatred, xenophobia or racism), that's the purpose of the Soapbox. Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be honest about your feelings. It's probably right from a diplomatic point of view, but what about the conscience? Even if I know I'm saying something which will put me in trouble, I have to say it better than being hypocritical
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
KaЯl wrote: Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be honest about your feelings. It's probably right from a diplomatic point of view, but what about the conscience? Even if I know I'm saying something which will put me in trouble, I have to say it better than being hypocritical Maybe I should go back and edit that message because "honest" isn' tthe right word. Replace honest with "vocal". KaЯl wrote: you're right (yes, you correctly read, I've said you're right ) There's a first! :laugh:
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I don't recall coming in stating that I was trying to be everybody's friend, politcally correct, understanding, or to coddle whiners, or humour the sick and twisted, and I didn't see "Support Group" on the door when I walked in, so kiss my ass. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John, give up, you are not being remotely funny here and you are hurting an awful lot of people. I'll only kiss your arse if you wipe the shit off.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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John, give up, you are not being remotely funny here and you are hurting an awful lot of people. I'll only kiss your arse if you wipe the shit off.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm finding the entire thread hilarious. Once again human nature reveals itself. Both sides of the discussion are showing man's true colours. Whilst John is being honest and himself, other people are being politically correct. There is a lot of intolerance on both sides and nobody is covering themselves with glory. It's like being down the pub but without the booze. :-D Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
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John, give up, you are not being remotely funny here and you are hurting an awful lot of people. I'll only kiss your arse if you wipe the shit off.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Did you detect any humor in my response? I'm not trying to be funny at all. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Stan Shannon wrote: Well, dammit! Someone has to say it: That really took balls! It sure did. :-O But now it's done, I've got a pair going spare. Hmmm....Ebay? :wtf: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Ever read The Wasp Factory by Iain Banks? Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
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Jason Henderson wrote: think he has just as much of a right to post (in the soapbox) as anyone else. Even if I totally disagree with what JS said, you're right (yes, you correctly read, I've said you're right ;)), he can express his opinion freely (as long as it isn't a direct call to hatred, xenophobia or racism), that's the purpose of the Soapbox. Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be honest about your feelings. It's probably right from a diplomatic point of view, but what about the conscience? Even if I know I'm saying something which will put me in trouble, I have to say it better than being hypocritical
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
KaЯl wrote: xenophobia Hey, I like Xena - she's got great cones... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Did you detect any humor in my response? I'm not trying to be funny at all. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
I don't find funny-humour with most of what you say, but most of it as at least funny-wierd.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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I'm finding the entire thread hilarious. Once again human nature reveals itself. Both sides of the discussion are showing man's true colours. Whilst John is being honest and himself, other people are being politically correct. There is a lot of intolerance on both sides and nobody is covering themselves with glory. It's like being down the pub but without the booze. :-D Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Here's the key - I never once (at least in this thread) criticized Andy for doing this, I just stated what was, to me, the freakin obvious. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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:rolleyes: It's hardly a Herculean task but I'm guessing you must have a religious angle. That can be the only explanation for such unwillingness to comply with someone else's wishes. Perhaps the only way out is to *always* make sure you say "Anna's" instead of "his" or "Anna" instead of "he". That way you will not by "lying" as you call it, and you will cause Anna no offence :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: That way you will not by "lying" as you call it, and you will cause Anna no offence Ugh but we all know and so does Jason and it is all such a lie anyway. Actually to be honest I don't see anything wrong with Jason holding firm to using what he believes is the right terminology. Much like one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. And Anna will need to learn to grow a thick skin IMO, better from a smart guy like Jason than some inbred jerkoff.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: "The Labia [cinema]... ...was opened by Princess Labia in May 1949..." Christian Graus wrote: See, I told you it was a nice name for a girl...
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I'm finding the entire thread hilarious. Once again human nature reveals itself. Both sides of the discussion are showing man's true colours. Whilst John is being honest and himself, other people are being politically correct. There is a lot of intolerance on both sides and nobody is covering themselves with glory. It's like being down the pub but without the booze. :-D Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Michael P Butler wrote: Whilst John is being honest and himself, other people are being politically correct Political correctness my arse. I think you've misjuged an awful lot of people here. My generation especially are vastly more tolerant and understanding of these issues than my parents' is, and my grandparents wouldn't even know where to begin. Society has changed a heck of a lot since the seventies in terms of people's perceptions of GLBT people - a lot. We're not there yet, and certainly not in a large proportion of the United States (land of the free yet it is still illegal to have intimate same gender relations in an alarming number of states*). I don't like to say the problem is merely Stateside because it does exist in intollerant communities worldwide, but it is too large a problem over there. Did you know for instance that over half of the homeless people living on Seattle's streets are GLBT? Or that the number one cause of teenager suicide is the fear this intollerance breeds? Religious intolerance also doesn't help, but I'm not getting drawn into that one now because it will offend a lot of people. * Ref: Legal ages of consent, worldwide[^]. Pay special attention to Texas. I for one stand by all of my comments with one hundred percent conviction.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Michael P Butler wrote: Whilst John is being honest and himself, other people are being politically correct Political correctness my arse. I think you've misjuged an awful lot of people here. My generation especially are vastly more tolerant and understanding of these issues than my parents' is, and my grandparents wouldn't even know where to begin. Society has changed a heck of a lot since the seventies in terms of people's perceptions of GLBT people - a lot. We're not there yet, and certainly not in a large proportion of the United States (land of the free yet it is still illegal to have intimate same gender relations in an alarming number of states*). I don't like to say the problem is merely Stateside because it does exist in intollerant communities worldwide, but it is too large a problem over there. Did you know for instance that over half of the homeless people living on Seattle's streets are GLBT? Or that the number one cause of teenager suicide is the fear this intollerance breeds? Religious intolerance also doesn't help, but I'm not getting drawn into that one now because it will offend a lot of people. * Ref: Legal ages of consent, worldwide[^]. Pay special attention to Texas. I for one stand by all of my comments with one hundred percent conviction.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Yes, but if you make a religion of being "tolerant" than what have you achieved? You can't be intolerant of intolerance and still be tolerant. You end up with a world just as intolerant as what you started with. Its just that the targets of intolerance have changed. Should people who are intolerant of GLBT be forced by the state to tolerate them? Where is the tolerance in that? Why not just have the state be intolerant of the GLBT's. What is the difference? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
