Well done Craig Levein
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I'm not sure about this. What does being caught drink-driving have to do with his ability to play football? If it affects how the rest of the squad would interact with him then fair enough, but I don't think that getting caught for some unrelated offence should automatically have consequences on someone's job.
BobJanova wrote:
What does being caught drink-driving have to do with his ability to play football?
He lacks the self control of not-drunk-driving? He is the kind of asshole that says "these rules are for others, not for me"? One of his team mates lost his pregnant wife and kitten in a drunk-drive accident? He appeared drunk to a match and promised to better up? Drinking is a problem on the team and he's making an example? Or the manager is one of those "You could be the most amazing person in the world, but if you drive drunk, than you are not in my team." His job does not end with putting a foos to a ball. He's also a public figure, an example, it affects how the teams is perceived by the public.
Many jobs come with expressed or implied behavioral rules, and these rules often extend into "private" life. Now, there must be a limit, sure, but drunk driving is (IMO) pretty severe.
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He will be probably be suspended on full pay though.........as they are investigating, and he was arrested, he still hasn't been prosecuted therefore is still technically innocent. Do you think he will be bothered about missing a friendly?
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BobJanova wrote:
What does being caught drink-driving have to do with his ability to play football?
He lacks the self control of not-drunk-driving? He is the kind of asshole that says "these rules are for others, not for me"? One of his team mates lost his pregnant wife and kitten in a drunk-drive accident? He appeared drunk to a match and promised to better up? Drinking is a problem on the team and he's making an example? Or the manager is one of those "You could be the most amazing person in the world, but if you drive drunk, than you are not in my team." His job does not end with putting a foos to a ball. He's also a public figure, an example, it affects how the teams is perceived by the public.
Many jobs come with expressed or implied behavioral rules, and these rules often extend into "private" life. Now, there must be a limit, sure, but drunk driving is (IMO) pretty severe.
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He will be probably be suspended on full pay though.........as they are investigating, and he was arrested, he still hasn't been prosecuted therefore is still technically innocent. Do you think he will be bothered about missing a friendly?
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Scotland do not pay his wages, they have not suspended him, simply not picked him. All he is missing out on is a small appearance fee to cover expenses he is not going to incur. He is still working for and being paid by his employers. I am sure missing a friendly doesn't bother him, I would expect that having a manager pissed off at him and possibly ignoring him in the future will.
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I'm not sure about this. What does being caught drink-driving have to do with his ability to play football? If it affects how the rest of the squad would interact with him then fair enough, but I don't think that getting caught for some unrelated offence should automatically have consequences on someone's job.
The other sort of Football (the American sort), the NY Giants have a code of conduct. You break it, you are gone. That nitwit who shot himself in the leg? They stood by him during the investigation, then as soon as it was apparent he broke the law? Gone. Breaking the law has more to do with your public appearance than your ability to play. Remember that these sports figures are still roll models. Little kids look up to them and go "I can be JUST like him!" I still remember that slight twinge of betrayal when Mark McGuire was discovered to be doping, I grew up trying to play like he did. Fortunately I was well past my baseball phase and it was easily brushed aside. These people represent their team and their fans. If they act like fools, it makes the rest of you look it for supporting them.
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The other sort of Football (the American sort), the NY Giants have a code of conduct. You break it, you are gone. That nitwit who shot himself in the leg? They stood by him during the investigation, then as soon as it was apparent he broke the law? Gone. Breaking the law has more to do with your public appearance than your ability to play. Remember that these sports figures are still roll models. Little kids look up to them and go "I can be JUST like him!" I still remember that slight twinge of betrayal when Mark McGuire was discovered to be doping, I grew up trying to play like he did. Fortunately I was well past my baseball phase and it was easily brushed aside. These people represent their team and their fans. If they act like fools, it makes the rest of you look it for supporting them.
RJOberg wrote:
Little kids look up to them
Not with Barry Bannan they don't, he is only just over 5 foot tall. The big thing he has going in his favour at the moment is that Scotland are crap at football and he is one of their better players and at 22 should get better. And pretty much the same for his club Aston Villa too. It is all very well saying get rid, or they shouldn't be playing or whatever but these players are very large assets for the club who represent a significant amount of money to just get rid of.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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RJOberg wrote:
Little kids look up to them
Not with Barry Bannan they don't, he is only just over 5 foot tall. The big thing he has going in his favour at the moment is that Scotland are crap at football and he is one of their better players and at 22 should get better. And pretty much the same for his club Aston Villa too. It is all very well saying get rid, or they shouldn't be playing or whatever but these players are very large assets for the club who represent a significant amount of money to just get rid of.
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ChrisElston wrote:
Not with Barry Bannan they don't, he is only just over 5 foot tall.
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RJOberg wrote:
Little kids look up to them
Not with Barry Bannan they don't, he is only just over 5 foot tall. The big thing he has going in his favour at the moment is that Scotland are crap at football and he is one of their better players and at 22 should get better. And pretty much the same for his club Aston Villa too. It is all very well saying get rid, or they shouldn't be playing or whatever but these players are very large assets for the club who represent a significant amount of money to just get rid of.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
True enough, but then again American Football players (at least the good ones) are very large investments. You just build it into their contract that if they break their code of conduct, they are gone, forfeit any remaining balance on their contract and owe back a percentage of their earnings. Granted it helps if you are a good team and people WANT to play for you. It doesn't sound like that is the case for Scotland. Also, +5 for the :laugh:
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True enough, but then again American Football players (at least the good ones) are very large investments. You just build it into their contract that if they break their code of conduct, they are gone, forfeit any remaining balance on their contract and owe back a percentage of their earnings. Granted it helps if you are a good team and people WANT to play for you. It doesn't sound like that is the case for Scotland. Also, +5 for the :laugh:
I didn't mean investment as in the player and his wages / paying him off. The transfer system in soccer means that when players move between clubs the selling club gets a fee from the buying club, often a very large fee. We don't have the draft system over here, clubs develop their own players from the age of 10 (or less) in academies they run and then sell them on. The transfer fee can be very sizable (there was talk of this particular player going for 6 million a short while ago), and for almost all UK soccer clubs that would be a very large asset to just write off by sacking them. Many clubs need the money from selling a player to get more players in, or just to keep paying the bills.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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I didn't mean investment as in the player and his wages / paying him off. The transfer system in soccer means that when players move between clubs the selling club gets a fee from the buying club, often a very large fee. We don't have the draft system over here, clubs develop their own players from the age of 10 (or less) in academies they run and then sell them on. The transfer fee can be very sizable (there was talk of this particular player going for 6 million a short while ago), and for almost all UK soccer clubs that would be a very large asset to just write off by sacking them. Many clubs need the money from selling a player to get more players in, or just to keep paying the bills.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Ahhh, now I understand. This is what I get for living in the US and not paying attention to the inner workings of the rest of the world's way of doing things when involved with football (the real sort, not the American type). Yeah, I can see that being a problem and no player in their right mind would accept a contract that states "If you break our code of conduct, you have to reimburse us for your transfer fee." Thanks for the explaination. :thumbsup:
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Ahhh, now I understand. This is what I get for living in the US and not paying attention to the inner workings of the rest of the world's way of doing things when involved with football (the real sort, not the American type). Yeah, I can see that being a problem and no player in their right mind would accept a contract that states "If you break our code of conduct, you have to reimburse us for your transfer fee." Thanks for the explaination. :thumbsup:
A very complicated and protracted case involving Adrian Mutu[^] a player sacked for taking drugs a few years ago finally ended in the player being ordered to pay 17 million euros to his former club, but it took years and the club chasing him for the money are one of the richest in the world. I would imagine the problems and costs of most clubs to chase the money would be prohibitive.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
