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Microsoft *IS* Killing Silverlight

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    realJSOP
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    http://slashdot.org/story/11/11/09/1920247/microsoft-killing-silverlight[^]

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      http://slashdot.org/story/11/11/09/1920247/microsoft-killing-silverlight[^]

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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      Dario Solera
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      Not surprising. Industry adoption was timid at best, and there's no longer need for such thing (nor Flash) with modern browsers. In a few years we'll probably see Flash dying on the desktop too (given it's already dead on mobile).

      If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog

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        Not surprising. Industry adoption was timid at best, and there's no longer need for such thing (nor Flash) with modern browsers. In a few years we'll probably see Flash dying on the desktop too (given it's already dead on mobile).

        If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog

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        realJSOP
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        Dario Solera wrote:

        there's no longer need for such thing

        I beg to differ. Silverlight provides a vehicle for deployment of reasonably rich stateful interfaces for web-based solutions using Microsoft development tools. Why is that important? 0) The Air Force won't allow desktop applications to be deployed until they're "approved", the process of which can take as long as two years. 1) Web development (even using the much ballyhooed HTML5) keeps us wrestling with browser incompatibilities resulting from differences in standards interpretation. I hate web development because of all the crap you have to do just to maintain state between page changes, not to mention fretting over the afore mention browser problems. It sucks big hairy donkey testicles. Silverlight delivered us from BOTH of those problems as DoD contractors.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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          http://slashdot.org/story/11/11/09/1920247/microsoft-killing-silverlight[^]

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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          LanFanNinja
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          Woohoo!! Now if only flash would go off and die somewhere. :-D

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            Not surprising. Industry adoption was timid at best, and there's no longer need for such thing (nor Flash) with modern browsers. In a few years we'll probably see Flash dying on the desktop too (given it's already dead on mobile).

            If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog

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            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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            Silverlight adoption has been pretty good for intranet and enterprise LOB applications.

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              Dario Solera wrote:

              there's no longer need for such thing

              I beg to differ. Silverlight provides a vehicle for deployment of reasonably rich stateful interfaces for web-based solutions using Microsoft development tools. Why is that important? 0) The Air Force won't allow desktop applications to be deployed until they're "approved", the process of which can take as long as two years. 1) Web development (even using the much ballyhooed HTML5) keeps us wrestling with browser incompatibilities resulting from differences in standards interpretation. I hate web development because of all the crap you have to do just to maintain state between page changes, not to mention fretting over the afore mention browser problems. It sucks big hairy donkey testicles. Silverlight delivered us from BOTH of those problems as DoD contractors.

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
              -----
              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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              Johnny J
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              You're so right. The reason I REALLY REALLY like silverlight is that it's browser independent AND works both as a desktop app AND a web app. I don't see any other technologies offering these features... :sigh: [EDIT]Can't we sign a petition or something like that?[/EDIT]

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                Not surprising. Industry adoption was timid at best, and there's no longer need for such thing (nor Flash) with modern browsers. In a few years we'll probably see Flash dying on the desktop too (given it's already dead on mobile).

                If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog

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                Pete OHanlon
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                Dario Solera wrote:

                and there's no longer need for such thing (nor Flash) with modern browsers.

                Ah yes - the HTML 5 can do it all argument. Except for decent streaming video, and if you want 3d web content then not all browsers support WebGL. Oh, and there are a whole host of other features that are implemented differently on different browsers.

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                  Woohoo!! Now if only flash would go off and die somewhere. :-D

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                  Johnny J
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                  :thumbsup: Preferably ASAP...

                  Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                  Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                  Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                  Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                    http://slashdot.org/story/11/11/09/1920247/microsoft-killing-silverlight[^]

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                    -----
                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                    -----
                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                    That's Microsoft out of the box for you: They release a cool new technology, then they let it live exactly long enough for people to realize its value, and then they pull the carpet away from under the developers feet and stop developing it. I'm just waiting for them to do the same with Windows Azure...

                    Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                    Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                    Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
                    -----
                    Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                      Dario Solera wrote:

                      there's no longer need for such thing

                      I beg to differ. Silverlight provides a vehicle for deployment of reasonably rich stateful interfaces for web-based solutions using Microsoft development tools. Why is that important? 0) The Air Force won't allow desktop applications to be deployed until they're "approved", the process of which can take as long as two years. 1) Web development (even using the much ballyhooed HTML5) keeps us wrestling with browser incompatibilities resulting from differences in standards interpretation. I hate web development because of all the crap you have to do just to maintain state between page changes, not to mention fretting over the afore mention browser problems. It sucks big hairy donkey testicles. Silverlight delivered us from BOTH of those problems as DoD contractors.

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                      -----
                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                      -----
                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                      Finally somebody who says it. Before I wrestle with webpages and browsers, I first look for any other option. Silverlight, some kind of client, anything, just not HTML.

                      And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                      "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                      And I smiled and was happy
                      And it came worse.

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                        Finally somebody who says it. Before I wrestle with webpages and browsers, I first look for any other option. Silverlight, some kind of client, anything, just not HTML.

                        And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                        "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                        And I smiled and was happy
                        And it came worse.

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                        Johnny J
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                        I totally agree! :thumbsup:

                        Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                        Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                        Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                        Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                          That's Microsoft out of the box for you: They release a cool new technology, then they let it live exactly long enough for people to realize its value, and then they pull the carpet away from under the developers feet and stop developing it. I'm just waiting for them to do the same with Windows Azure...

                          Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                          Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                          Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                          Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                          It's like playing with a dog. You can pretend to throw the stick and the dog will run off, looking for it. After a while, most dogs will realize that you are fooling them and will only run if they really see the stick. Now, why could there be so many people who don't care very much when they hear about Microsoft's next great idea?

                          And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                          "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                          And I smiled and was happy
                          And it came worse.

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                            I totally agree! :thumbsup:

                            Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                            Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                            Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                            Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                            Up to the point where you are crazy enough to make your own UI? :)

                            And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                            "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                            And I smiled and was happy
                            And it came worse.

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                              Up to the point where you are crazy enough to make your own UI? :)

                              And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                              "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                              And I smiled and was happy
                              And it came worse.

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                              Johnny J
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                              I'm not there yet, but please let me know when you've got a framework ready... ;)

                              Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                              Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                              Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                              Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                I'm not there yet, but please let me know when you've got a framework ready... ;)

                                Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                                Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                                Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
                                -----
                                Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                I was crazy enough. At the moment it is not mature enough to be used without having to expect some strange 'features' yet, but I am building the first application with it and fix all bugs or omissions along the way. It already can load it's resources, theme, styles and layout via XAML.

                                And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                                "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                                And I smiled and was happy
                                And it came worse.

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                                  I was crazy enough. At the moment it is not mature enough to be used without having to expect some strange 'features' yet, but I am building the first application with it and fix all bugs or omissions along the way. It already can load it's resources, theme, styles and layout via XAML.

                                  And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                                  "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                                  And I smiled and was happy
                                  And it came worse.

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                                  CDP1802 wrote:

                                  It already can load it's resources, theme, styles and layout via XAML.

                                  As an aficionado of all forms of madness, may I say that it would be a boon if Thee wouldst grant CP a review/preview/article ? best, Bill

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                                    CDP1802 wrote:

                                    It already can load it's resources, theme, styles and layout via XAML.

                                    As an aficionado of all forms of madness, may I say that it would be a boon if Thee wouldst grant CP a review/preview/article ? best, Bill

                                    "Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted line. He caught every other fish." Steven Wright

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                                    I would not be sure where to start. The code already has reached some size and explaining every detail may prove to be hard. On the other side, there are still a few open ends, like supporting localization in the XAML markup. I would certainly not mind writing about it, but then it should be something that's useful to the readers.

                                    And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                                    "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

                                    And I smiled and was happy
                                    And it came worse.

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                                      http://slashdot.org/story/11/11/09/1920247/microsoft-killing-silverlight[^]

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                      What's next java,C# C++? :)

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                                        That's Microsoft out of the box for you: They release a cool new technology, then they let it live exactly long enough for people to realize its value, and then they pull the carpet away from under the developers feet and stop developing it. I'm just waiting for them to do the same with Windows Azure...

                                        Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                                        Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
                                        -----
                                        Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
                                        -----
                                        Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                                        Dario Solera
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                                        Johnny J. wrote:

                                        I'm just waiting for them to do the same with Windows Azure...

                                        That would be much worse than dropping Silverlight, because Azure generates revenue directly, while a framework that is available for free does not. Sure, Azure is surely not yet generating profits, but at least it has a proven business model behind it. Silverlight was a timid approach at fighting Adobe, for the wrong reasons. Not to mention that, for some reason, the Silverlight plugin always caused problems to me when used in Firefox (but probably it's just me).

                                        If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog

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                                          Johnny J. wrote:

                                          I'm just waiting for them to do the same with Windows Azure...

                                          That would be much worse than dropping Silverlight, because Azure generates revenue directly, while a framework that is available for free does not. Sure, Azure is surely not yet generating profits, but at least it has a proven business model behind it. Silverlight was a timid approach at fighting Adobe, for the wrong reasons. Not to mention that, for some reason, the Silverlight plugin always caused problems to me when used in Firefox (but probably it's just me).

                                          If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog

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                                          I've never experienced a problem with Silverlight in FireFox.

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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