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    leckey76
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    Okay, I am closer to 40 than 30, but I know what an internet meme is. Over the last few months it seems like I've had to explain what a meme is to everyone I've come in contact with, even those whose age falls into Generation Y. How do you define a meme to those who do not understand? What do you reference as a meme? (Currently I am on a Nyan Cat fix.) Any meme's that you think are really "underground" but are note-worthy?

    Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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      Okay, I am closer to 40 than 30, but I know what an internet meme is. Over the last few months it seems like I've had to explain what a meme is to everyone I've come in contact with, even those whose age falls into Generation Y. How do you define a meme to those who do not understand? What do you reference as a meme? (Currently I am on a Nyan Cat fix.) Any meme's that you think are really "underground" but are note-worthy?

      Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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      AspDotNetDev
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      One might describe a meme as: "A meme is like an inside joke, but it doesn't have to be a joke, and is usually shared by an audience larger than that shared by an inside joke. It is a concept that appears to make no sense to an outsider, but makes sense to the group that understands the unsaid associations with the concept. Many memes these days are spread via the internet." Then I'd probably give some examples, like Rickrolling, 42, or 37.

      Somebody in an online forum wrote:

      INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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        Okay, I am closer to 40 than 30, but I know what an internet meme is. Over the last few months it seems like I've had to explain what a meme is to everyone I've come in contact with, even those whose age falls into Generation Y. How do you define a meme to those who do not understand? What do you reference as a meme? (Currently I am on a Nyan Cat fix.) Any meme's that you think are really "underground" but are note-worthy?

        Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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        AspDotNetDev
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        Rule 99.1 is a good example of something with potential to turn into a meme, but which I am unaware of becoming a meme as of yet (there was a Lounge post earlier that gave me a hint that it may indeed qualify as a meme). In fact, most every XKCD has the potential to become a meme... it's like a meme generator.

        Somebody in an online forum wrote:

        INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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          One might describe a meme as: "A meme is like an inside joke, but it doesn't have to be a joke, and is usually shared by an audience larger than that shared by an inside joke. It is a concept that appears to make no sense to an outsider, but makes sense to the group that understands the unsaid associations with the concept. Many memes these days are spread via the internet." Then I'd probably give some examples, like Rickrolling, 42, or 37.

          Somebody in an online forum wrote:

          INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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          Rage
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          AspDotNetDev wrote:

          37

          :confused:

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            Okay, I am closer to 40 than 30, but I know what an internet meme is. Over the last few months it seems like I've had to explain what a meme is to everyone I've come in contact with, even those whose age falls into Generation Y. How do you define a meme to those who do not understand? What do you reference as a meme? (Currently I am on a Nyan Cat fix.) Any meme's that you think are really "underground" but are note-worthy?

            Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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            Johnny J
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            I like'em better in French Turkish... ;) (Got my languages all messed up there - it's too early in the morning for me, I guess!)

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              Okay, I am closer to 40 than 30, but I know what an internet meme is. Over the last few months it seems like I've had to explain what a meme is to everyone I've come in contact with, even those whose age falls into Generation Y. How do you define a meme to those who do not understand? What do you reference as a meme? (Currently I am on a Nyan Cat fix.) Any meme's that you think are really "underground" but are note-worthy?

              Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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              Rage
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              I find the wikipedia [^]definition quit accurate:

              The term Internet meme is used to describe a concept that spreads via the Internet

              . (To be completely in the subject, I should have made the above link point to a duckroll ;) )

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                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                37

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                AspDotNetDev
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                It's a Clerks reference. "You sucked 37 _____!?" You'll have to watch it if you want to fill in the blank (or you can Google it). :)

                Somebody in an online forum wrote:

                INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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                  Okay, I am closer to 40 than 30, but I know what an internet meme is. Over the last few months it seems like I've had to explain what a meme is to everyone I've come in contact with, even those whose age falls into Generation Y. How do you define a meme to those who do not understand? What do you reference as a meme? (Currently I am on a Nyan Cat fix.) Any meme's that you think are really "underground" but are note-worthy?

                  Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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                  Well, Richard Dawkins, "launched" the word "meme" in "The Selfish Gene" back in the late seventies, as an extension into the cultural domain of certain genetic principles, but, imho, it was the addicted-to-novelty technophiliacs and cultural deconstructionists (those conceptual-vampires recruited by the mind-rotting obfuscations of Lacan and Derrida, among others), and those tired old academic war-horses of thirty-forty years ago (S.I. Hayakawa, for example) who wallowed in "semiotics" ... the "orthogenetic literati"[1] whose business is to layer-on new meta-structures on top of the mundane ... to swallow the spontaneous and render it non-novel by interpreting it as an expression of existing orthodoxy ... who pushed "meme" into more widespread use ... The types of slangwhangers and godwotterers that write for Wired magazine, in other words. To me its use, at first, often had an "elitist" overtone: it was one of those words I would hear dropped at a Silicon Valley soiree circa 1990: an elitist in-group marker flag, particularly among those who were addicted to Mac flavor kool-aid. But now, it does seem in general usage. Even though used with many different connotations, imho. Some folks using it as if it meant "myth," some using it as if it meant "emblem," sociological label, or "archetype," or "leit-motiv," or, to use Kurt Vonnegut's delightful term from his imagined Bokononist religion in "Cat's Cradle," some using "meme like Kurt used "wampeter." Were "lebensraum," "manifest destiny," "peace in our time" memes ? Was the American great depression of the 1930's popular idiom, "three hots and a flop" (code for the "necessities of life") beaten into my father's behind with a hickory switch, in combination with brainwashing with "Horatio Alger" stories ... a meme ? Is "Bacon" a meme ? on CodeProject only ? ... or ... everywhere ? best, Bill [1] cf. Milton Singer, 1975, "When A Great Tradition Modernizes" based on his years of field-work in the study of the ecology of religious culture in Tamil Nadu, and an extension of Redford's concept of "great" and "little" cultural traditions.

                  "I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990

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                    Okay, I am closer to 40 than 30, but I know what an internet meme is. Over the last few months it seems like I've had to explain what a meme is to everyone I've come in contact with, even those whose age falls into Generation Y. How do you define a meme to those who do not understand? What do you reference as a meme? (Currently I am on a Nyan Cat fix.) Any meme's that you think are really "underground" but are note-worthy?

                    Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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                    Generation WHY? You are talking about those young whippersnappers who don't respect a decent cane shaking anymore and ask "get off you lawn? Why? Take my feet from the table? Why? Pull up my pants? Why?"

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                      Well, Richard Dawkins, "launched" the word "meme" in "The Selfish Gene" back in the late seventies, as an extension into the cultural domain of certain genetic principles, but, imho, it was the addicted-to-novelty technophiliacs and cultural deconstructionists (those conceptual-vampires recruited by the mind-rotting obfuscations of Lacan and Derrida, among others), and those tired old academic war-horses of thirty-forty years ago (S.I. Hayakawa, for example) who wallowed in "semiotics" ... the "orthogenetic literati"[1] whose business is to layer-on new meta-structures on top of the mundane ... to swallow the spontaneous and render it non-novel by interpreting it as an expression of existing orthodoxy ... who pushed "meme" into more widespread use ... The types of slangwhangers and godwotterers that write for Wired magazine, in other words. To me its use, at first, often had an "elitist" overtone: it was one of those words I would hear dropped at a Silicon Valley soiree circa 1990: an elitist in-group marker flag, particularly among those who were addicted to Mac flavor kool-aid. But now, it does seem in general usage. Even though used with many different connotations, imho. Some folks using it as if it meant "myth," some using it as if it meant "emblem," sociological label, or "archetype," or "leit-motiv," or, to use Kurt Vonnegut's delightful term from his imagined Bokononist religion in "Cat's Cradle," some using "meme like Kurt used "wampeter." Were "lebensraum," "manifest destiny," "peace in our time" memes ? Was the American great depression of the 1930's popular idiom, "three hots and a flop" (code for the "necessities of life") beaten into my father's behind with a hickory switch, in combination with brainwashing with "Horatio Alger" stories ... a meme ? Is "Bacon" a meme ? on CodeProject only ? ... or ... everywhere ? best, Bill [1] cf. Milton Singer, 1975, "When A Great Tradition Modernizes" based on his years of field-work in the study of the ecology of religious culture in Tamil Nadu, and an extension of Redford's concept of "great" and "little" cultural traditions.

                      "I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990

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                      BobJanova
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                      BACON is definitely a meme on CP, and I've seen love of bacon far beyond what actually makes sense to include in non-food related conversations on other forums too.

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                        Well, Richard Dawkins, "launched" the word "meme" in "The Selfish Gene" back in the late seventies, as an extension into the cultural domain of certain genetic principles, but, imho, it was the addicted-to-novelty technophiliacs and cultural deconstructionists (those conceptual-vampires recruited by the mind-rotting obfuscations of Lacan and Derrida, among others), and those tired old academic war-horses of thirty-forty years ago (S.I. Hayakawa, for example) who wallowed in "semiotics" ... the "orthogenetic literati"[1] whose business is to layer-on new meta-structures on top of the mundane ... to swallow the spontaneous and render it non-novel by interpreting it as an expression of existing orthodoxy ... who pushed "meme" into more widespread use ... The types of slangwhangers and godwotterers that write for Wired magazine, in other words. To me its use, at first, often had an "elitist" overtone: it was one of those words I would hear dropped at a Silicon Valley soiree circa 1990: an elitist in-group marker flag, particularly among those who were addicted to Mac flavor kool-aid. But now, it does seem in general usage. Even though used with many different connotations, imho. Some folks using it as if it meant "myth," some using it as if it meant "emblem," sociological label, or "archetype," or "leit-motiv," or, to use Kurt Vonnegut's delightful term from his imagined Bokononist religion in "Cat's Cradle," some using "meme like Kurt used "wampeter." Were "lebensraum," "manifest destiny," "peace in our time" memes ? Was the American great depression of the 1930's popular idiom, "three hots and a flop" (code for the "necessities of life") beaten into my father's behind with a hickory switch, in combination with brainwashing with "Horatio Alger" stories ... a meme ? Is "Bacon" a meme ? on CodeProject only ? ... or ... everywhere ? best, Bill [1] cf. Milton Singer, 1975, "When A Great Tradition Modernizes" based on his years of field-work in the study of the ecology of religious culture in Tamil Nadu, and an extension of Redford's concept of "great" and "little" cultural traditions.

                        "I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990

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                        A post with a bibliography. My, aren't we fancy :-D.

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                          Generation WHY? You are talking about those young whippersnappers who don't respect a decent cane shaking anymore and ask "get off you lawn? Why? Take my feet from the table? Why? Pull up my pants? Why?"

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                          leckey76
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                          Hey, I'm part of that weird cross-over generation who knows the term "whippersnapper," who hates kids on my lawn, knows the lyrics to the black-and-white TV show Mr. Ed, knows what a ghost driver is, and also an internet meme. Pants are still optional.

                          Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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                            Hey, I'm part of that weird cross-over generation who knows the term "whippersnapper," who hates kids on my lawn, knows the lyrics to the black-and-white TV show Mr. Ed, knows what a ghost driver is, and also an internet meme. Pants are still optional.

                            Blog updated as of Nov 2011!!! http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com Regarding the passing of Andy Rooney, a quote from myself: "I always loved his curmudgeonly rants as an existential part of my bitchy self"

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                            peterchen
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                            Pants optional? Let me get my frock.

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