Silverlight - it gets worse
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CDP1802 wrote:
Only the old dinosaur, Win32, seems to survive everything.
Way too awesome for an old fart like that, don't ya think? :cool:
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Microsoft's tendency to drop things as quickly as they invent them has made going back to Win32 and C++ very appealing. Both have become something like stepchildren after .Net, but this also isolated them from much foolishness.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
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Microsoft's tendency to drop things as quickly as they invent them has made going back to Win32 and C++ very appealing. Both have become something like stepchildren after .Net, but this also isolated them from much foolishness.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
Microsoft's tendency to drop things as quickly as they invent them has made going back to Win32 and C++ very appealing. Both have become something like stepchildren after .Net, but this also isolated them from much foolishness.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse.CDP1802 wrote:
but this also isolated them from much foolishness.
...and much updating.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Well thank goodness, I never tried that WPF and Silverlight stuff :)
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CDP1802 wrote:
but this also isolated them from much foolishness.
...and much updating.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Isn't it great? Pull out 15 year old code, compile it and it runs. No updating any frameworks. The platform SDK has remained, thank god, very much the same. And the second bonus is that the smart cargo cult programmers will not last very long there. They will give up wenn they encounter their first pointers.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
Isn't it great? Pull out 15 year old code, compile it and it runs. No updating any frameworks. The platform SDK has remained, thank god, very much the same. And the second bonus is that the smart cargo cult programmers will not last very long there. They will give up wenn they encounter their first pointers.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
And it compiles so quickly you have to do a clean and build to convince yourself that it did actually recompile.
"You get that on the big jobs."
And you can say that for the code's performance as well. Very much less shoveling data from and to a database, converting it ten times along the way. The code itself had less fat and more muscles and C++ also helps a little by 'forgetting' the word 'managed'. Our intern has just 'proven' that C# runs just as fast as C++. By taking the time a for loop needs to count to 4 billions in both languages. Now he is puzzled why I laughed and told him that this is not much of a surprise.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
And you can say that for the code's performance as well. Very much less shoveling data from and to a database, converting it ten times along the way. The code itself had less fat and more muscles and C++ also helps a little by 'forgetting' the word 'managed'. Our intern has just 'proven' that C# runs just as fast as C++. By taking the time a for loop needs to count to 4 billions in both languages. Now he is puzzled why I laughed and told him that this is not much of a surprise.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
The thing is, nobody outside of not even MS actually knows whether or not this is true
FTFY.
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HM response += 5; I think you just put a spotlight on a central assumption that's too easy to make: that Microsoft is some monolithic centralized entity with some highly rationalized planning process. Before I went to work at Adobe, long ago, I had this idea in my head that it was the "shining city on the hill," the "Valhalla" of PostScript (which was my specialty); it was an Oz, that, if it had witches, all of their last names were: "The Good." After six months there, I realized I was much more in the equivalent of a group of feuding city-states (say something like relations between Florence, Genoa, and Venice in the early to late Renaissance), with brutal turf wars going on. That's not a complaint, by the way: Adobe was the greatest company I ever worked for, and John Warnock is the most brilliant person I've ever had the privilege of working directly for and with (in the creation of what became Acrobat ... against very strong internal resistance from some groups in the company). I'd bet there's a lot of internal conflict, debate, and maneuvering still going on at MS right now around the future of SilverLight and WPF (and WinForms ?) in the context of what we have been "sold for now" as: the "next reality up to bat:" WRT, Metro, Win8, etc. I admit my bias: to me the whole schizo-relationship of Win8 and Metro looks to me like a temporary breakwater to halt the overwhelming tide of Apple's ascendancy in the mobile/tablet space. And the giant thundering strides of the JavaScript + jQuery juggernaut. I don't think the 'fat lady's sung' ... yet ... in the Microsoft Opera. I don't even think all the 'instruments' are in tune ... yet. best, Bill
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CDP1802 wrote:
Both have become something like stepchildren after .Net,
More like children of ex who's less attractive and earns less (?) than the current spouse.
bosedk wrote:
less attractive and earns less (?)
Less attractive, yes. But earn less? I doubt that.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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When it comes to release time, I think I'd feel better with managed code. But yeah a bit more muscle and a bit less blot would be good thing (he says looking down at his own paunch)
"You get that on the big jobs."
'Feel' is just the right word. Lately I have been looking at MASM again and they claim that there is no notable difference between a C++ developer or one using MASM for Win32. Given that both know what they are doing. Both use the same libraries, call the same functions and perform the same tasks. The only real difference is that their code looks different. Yet everybody always 'knew' that assembly must be a huge waste of time. Now, if we had two versions of the .Net framework, one managed and the other one with the same functionality, but unmanaged. What great difference would it make? With some discipline and good practices you can get along with 'unmanaged' very well and the rest of the code would again be very similar. I really think that 'managed' or 'unmanaged', object oriented or not or the choice of language have little objective influence on productivity. Given a similar environment, framework and tools, it's just a question of preferences. In the end it's more about the developer feeling comfortable with it.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
According to this article,, SL5 may only work in IE. What a crock of sh*t if it's true. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/microsoft_killing_silverlight_rumours/[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Isn't it great? Pull out 15 year old code, compile it and it runs. No updating any frameworks. The platform SDK has remained, thank god, very much the same. And the second bonus is that the smart cargo cult programmers will not last very long there. They will give up wenn they encounter their first pointers.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
It isn't quite 15 years yet, but pull out 9 year old .Net code[^] and it will compile and run – and I expect it to do so in another 6 years with no problem, too. The 9 year old EXE you made will still run, too.
Yes, if you still have the good old VS 2002 and framework 1.0 installed. I have not looked at my old stuff lately. What do the newer Visual Studios say to a .Net 1.0 solution? If I remember right, you will at least have to port it to 2.0.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
According to this article,, SL5 may only work in IE. What a crock of sh*t if it's true. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/microsoft_killing_silverlight_rumours/[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997" SL5 may only work in IE**"** News Flash!!!! Silverlight is a Micro$oft product. :doh:
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I can't speak for silverlight because I've never had any interest in web programming. ( Yes I know I'm becomming like my old university lecturer quite happy to stick with the stuff I know. We used to laugh at him for using still using dos based programs when we had all moved on to win 3.11 ) But Wpf which I'm just learning at the moment is more of a gui programming extension that can also be used on the web, but probably not if you want to leverage the full capabilities. From the windows programming point of view it's more the next generation of forms etc. Though apparently you can't do transitions when using a wpf control in a windows forms app. I haven;t tried it yet but this is the only thing I'm not happy about. But then it's easily fixed with tabs or splitters, it's just that transitions would be cooler.
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pseudonym67 wrote:
apparently you can't do transitions when using a wpf control in a windows forms app
Perhaps you mean transparency. I haven't heard of any limitations on transitions (aka, animations) when combining the two.
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" SL5 may only work in IE**"** News Flash!!!! Silverlight is a Micro$oft product. :doh:
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesNews Flash - it works right now n Chrome, FF, and Opera. If they make it so it ONLY works on IE, that would suck because I don't want to use IE.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
News Flash - it works right now n Chrome, FF, and Opera. If they make it so it ONLY works on IE, that would suck because I don't want to use IE.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997" If they make it so it ONLY works on IE, that would suck because I don't want to use IE." We have at least one thing in common, I don't want to use IE or Silverlight. Browser plug-in is so 20th Century.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
