Wow! That is fast software...
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
office just keeps getting bigger and bigger. I wonder just how many of the features are actually used? I've always wanted to add some data collection to any GUI I work on, just to see what screens and features user's actually use. I'm certain the results would surprise me. That old 80/20 rule might be a bit more like 95/5.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
OriginalGriff wrote:
Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
In reality, it dosen't. It's just that Microsoft put lots of crud and rubbish in all of their programs/operating systems these days, in an attempt to constantly force users to upgrade to "better" hardware specs.
See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
So far, no one seems to have cracked this!The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
Makes me wonder if there is a market for minimalistic and blindingly fast software. Marc
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office just keeps getting bigger and bigger. I wonder just how many of the features are actually used? I've always wanted to add some data collection to any GUI I work on, just to see what screens and features user's actually use. I'm certain the results would surprise me. That old 80/20 rule might be a bit more like 95/5.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
I wonder just how many of the features are actually used?
Supposedly only about 5% of the features are actually used. The problem is that we all use a different 5%. It's common that whenever features are removed from "bloated" software there are always some user for whom the removal of those features is the end of the world. Every so often someone goes back to basics with something "minimalist." Then users complain that it doesn't do X, Y and Z. Over time the new basic thing becomes as bloated as the thing it was an alternative to.
Kevin
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Makes me wonder if there is a market for minimalistic and blindingly fast software. Marc
I'm a proponent of small fast software. Let's start a revolution.
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
Don't worry office(SkyDrive) is moving to the cloud. So you won't notice the size it takes up on your hard drive any more.
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
OriginalGriff wrote:
Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
On my 64-bit machine, I have Microsoft Office Professional 2010 (64-bit edition) installed with the following: Microsoft Office Professional 2010 (64-bit): Access Excel InfoPath Outlook PowerPoint Publisher Word Also includes: Visio Professional 2010 SharePoint Designer 2010 Project Professional 2010 All components EXCEPT the following are installed: Access\Add-ins\Package Wizard InfoPath\.NET Programmability Support\Visual Studio Tools for Applications Outlook\Outlook Templates SharePoint Workspace (formally Groove) That includes: Complete Clip Art Gallery Full proofing for English, French, and Spanish. Optical Character Recognition (default is not to install, but I like it) So, 10 major applications, with three supported languages, with more than the default install. Gotta be more than 3GB, right? Nope, on my machine its 1.18GB in \Program Files plus a few hundred more megabytes in \Program Files\Common Files Sure, there is 1.46GB in \MSOCache, but that’s optional and I can blow it away. I have a 1TB drive, and don’t want to hunt for the installation disks, so I don’t mind spending 1.5% of my space for a cache. Do we really want to get into a discussion about features? I’m a power user and use a lot, but there are many things I don’t use that others find vital – like the legal features that are essential to law firms. If you’re going to bitch about HD space, at least get the numbers right, and then compare how much space it takes up relative to the size of your hard drive. Then consider what that ~1.5GB is doing for you. I took more than 3GB in photograph and video this past weekend.
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
Some years ago, a DEC software engineer by the name of Mike Gancarz wrote an intriguing little book called "The UNIX Philosophy." In it, he propounded his conception of the Three Systems of Man.
The First system occurs when some genius with time and CPU cycles on his hands thinks up a nifty new idea: maybe a cross-platform machine-independent language that's so easy to learn, so extensible, and so close to the hardware that no other language could do better. He implements it, leaves a few desirable features out for lack of time, and neglects to polish off some rough edges. It becomes a hit -- he is a genius, after all -- but everyone who uses it notes one of the missing desirable features or gripes about one of the rough edges.
The Second system occurs when a bunch of under-employed academics and think-tank-types seize on the First system and say, to themselves and one another, "Wow. We could really make a classic buck off this." So they create a 500-member committee to "pull the First system all the way to completion," or some such, and develop a Brobdingnagian spec for a new language that will have everything but the kitchen sink in it. It takes 1000 GBytes to implement that spec, the product is shaky and error-prone, and no one knows how to use all the features except for a few of the committee members ...but the committee members, their reputations now established as industry experts, get fat on books and speaking tours.
The Third system occurs when a second genius with time and CPU cycles to spare notices that there's the germ of a brilliant idea buried in the Second system, underneath a lot of useless gingerbread. He recovers it, strips away the excrescences added by that damned committee, adds the handful of important features neglected by the First system, polishes off the roughnesses...and issues it under a completely different name.
A classic First system: C
A classic Second system: C++ (ongoing)
A classic Third system: JavaThere are, of course, many others.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
On my 64-bit machine, I have Microsoft Office Professional 2010 (64-bit edition) installed with the following: Microsoft Office Professional 2010 (64-bit): Access Excel InfoPath Outlook PowerPoint Publisher Word Also includes: Visio Professional 2010 SharePoint Designer 2010 Project Professional 2010 All components EXCEPT the following are installed: Access\Add-ins\Package Wizard InfoPath\.NET Programmability Support\Visual Studio Tools for Applications Outlook\Outlook Templates SharePoint Workspace (formally Groove) That includes: Complete Clip Art Gallery Full proofing for English, French, and Spanish. Optical Character Recognition (default is not to install, but I like it) So, 10 major applications, with three supported languages, with more than the default install. Gotta be more than 3GB, right? Nope, on my machine its 1.18GB in \Program Files plus a few hundred more megabytes in \Program Files\Common Files Sure, there is 1.46GB in \MSOCache, but that’s optional and I can blow it away. I have a 1TB drive, and don’t want to hunt for the installation disks, so I don’t mind spending 1.5% of my space for a cache. Do we really want to get into a discussion about features? I’m a power user and use a lot, but there are many things I don’t use that others find vital – like the legal features that are essential to law firms. If you’re going to bitch about HD space, at least get the numbers right, and then compare how much space it takes up relative to the size of your hard drive. Then consider what that ~1.5GB is doing for you. I took more than 3GB in photograph and video this past weekend.
/* Charles Oppermann */ http://weblogs.asp.net/chuckop
The reason I mention 3GB is that that is the MS system requirement[^]
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Some years ago, a DEC software engineer by the name of Mike Gancarz wrote an intriguing little book called "The UNIX Philosophy." In it, he propounded his conception of the Three Systems of Man.
The First system occurs when some genius with time and CPU cycles on his hands thinks up a nifty new idea: maybe a cross-platform machine-independent language that's so easy to learn, so extensible, and so close to the hardware that no other language could do better. He implements it, leaves a few desirable features out for lack of time, and neglects to polish off some rough edges. It becomes a hit -- he is a genius, after all -- but everyone who uses it notes one of the missing desirable features or gripes about one of the rough edges.
The Second system occurs when a bunch of under-employed academics and think-tank-types seize on the First system and say, to themselves and one another, "Wow. We could really make a classic buck off this." So they create a 500-member committee to "pull the First system all the way to completion," or some such, and develop a Brobdingnagian spec for a new language that will have everything but the kitchen sink in it. It takes 1000 GBytes to implement that spec, the product is shaky and error-prone, and no one knows how to use all the features except for a few of the committee members ...but the committee members, their reputations now established as industry experts, get fat on books and speaking tours.
The Third system occurs when a second genius with time and CPU cycles to spare notices that there's the germ of a brilliant idea buried in the Second system, underneath a lot of useless gingerbread. He recovers it, strips away the excrescences added by that damned committee, adds the handful of important features neglected by the First system, polishes off the roughnesses...and issues it under a completely different name.
A classic First system: C
A classic Second system: C++ (ongoing)
A classic Third system: JavaThere are, of course, many others.
Fran Porretto wrote:
A classic Third system: Java C#
FTFY! :laugh:
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Fran Porretto wrote:
A classic Third system: Java C#
FTFY! :laugh:
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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I just had to open a small bunch of old Lotus Word Pro files - which gives you a good idea when I last used them, it was two or three computers back . I use Open Office these days and it doesn't import .LWP files, so let's have a look for how to do it. Hello Mr Google! After an hour or so, I decided that it was too much hassle - the OO LWP file import filter is a POS, and IBM aren't exactly friendly about letting you have a copy of Symphony - the free suite which replaced Smart Suite. Indeed, you would think that they really don't want anyone to actually use it... So I eventually decided it was time to bite the bullet and install the real thing. 1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand. Oh dear. Do I really want to install this old stuff? Oh well. Bloody hell! It runs like greased lightning! Quick to load, quick to do anything, it even looks pretty good, in a minimalist sort of way. And it's HDD footprint is tiny! Remind me again, just what is it that Office wants 3GB of my hard drive for?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
Problem is that no user in this world would ever give $500 for a 500KB software application.
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You think so? I don't know C#, but "from the outside" it looks awfully complex.
Most of that is the .NET framework - the actual language elements (if you could detach them) are pretty clean and simple. Then of course they start to bolt stuff on: Linq, ...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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OriginalGriff wrote:
1/2 hour of rummaging, and a shiny (old) Smart Suite 97 disk is in my hand
I wouldn't have to search that long. Just lift my coffee mug. Now there is something it is really good at.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
I bought 4 of the older models of these carousels[^] to keep track of my CD/DVDs. Worth every penny by saving me from searching stacks after stacks of discs (did I already search this one? let me check again...). My only gripe has been that the software does not keep track of which discs have been "checked out". Nothing more disappointing that having the spindle spin and then eject nothing. Back to manual searching.
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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Fran Porretto wrote:
A classic Third system: Java C#
FTFY! :laugh:
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
IMO, the third system is yet to come. Java left too many things out - explicit object destruction is useful occasionally, as is operator overloading. And Java misses traits/mixins, and its generics implementation sucks (in that it only offers compile-time type safety - last time I looked). C# is bloated. It was bloated before LINQ. It is bloated by design. I think that if you try hard enough, you can simulate properties using templates and overloaded operators in C++. Why would you make them part of the language? I do agree that Java is closer to the third system, but actually, both C# and Java are closer to the second system than to the third. What would bring Java much closer to the third system: * traits/mixins * make functions a primary type (a la Javascript/any language knowing closures properly) * fix the generics implementation (last time I checked, there was no runtime type safety) * provide an option to compile to native code * explicit object destruction * operator overloading * more compact type declarations - auto from the latest C++ spec is a good idea
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The reason I mention 3GB is that that is the MS system requirement[^]
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
That showed how much Charles Oppermann knows about his previous company's product. Looks like he was blindly defending the bloated product.
