I am claiming an exception to Godwin's Law
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Nazi Slaves being Taxed.[^] How typical of our European neighbours that when things are a bit tight and they will be required to foot the bill of all the profligate countries in Europe that they decide to retroactively tax people enslaved under Nazi Rules. Hitler would have been proud of them.
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Oh no, some people who are getting free money from a state that isn't even theirs have to pay some tax on it! How awful! It takes some nerve to be 'furious' or 'outraged' at being taxed on free income which the modern German state is really under no obligation to give to these people at all. (Does Britain pay compensatory pensions for PoWs we kept and used to build infrastructure like the Orkney causeways? I don't think so.)
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Perhaps the Germans shouldn't have used slave labour in the first place, or at least, taxed them at source back in the 40's. To retrospectively tax them for the last 6 years seems a little unfair too. And how much will it raise? Bugger all in the great scheme of things, certainly not enough to dig France out of the hole it is about to find itself in.
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Really? Passing new laws or changing existing ones is what politicians are supposed to do. And then some years are spent with trying to figure out how to implement the new laws. In the end it's a cross between a government employee and an accountant that adds up how much you should have paid and sends you a nice letter. Especially that last guy would be very surprised. Laws are laws, regulations are regulations. Both have been followed to the letter and everybody has been treated equally. So what are you complaining about? But I have a simple way to get out of their way: I leave the house only at daylight, when the bloodsuckers must stay in their coffins.
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You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all. They are utterly incapable of forseeing that taxing these pensions is in any way wrong, or likely to cause offense, and at least be very bad PR. In this respect, no, they havent learnt a thing. But dont forget the Dutch faschists were so numerous they formed an SS division. There were also faschists in Belgium who worked with the Nazis. There were faschists in England who would have too, and the US dont forget, had its own Nazi party. So while it is easy to victimise Germany dont forget that against the backdrop of their time, when eugenics was popular science, and faschism was rife, they weremt so unusual. And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all.
Thank you very much. :) I will at least try to think a little more before obeying blindly. But it's very hard... Don't you have any tax offices? Can you dicker and haggle with the beaurocrat there? Or perhaps bribe him? I suspect that he has his laws and regulations as well and follows them. You may perhaps file a complaint if you think he did not. And he is probably also not interested in wether you find that fair or not. He's not the guy who made the laws.
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Why would I use a joke icon? There was no joke there. I cannot help it if other people fail to see sarcasm or irony. There are no icons for those. And as for you commenting on my composition style, that is a bit rich considering you cannot make a posting without spelling errors.
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Oooh, touchy touchy! :) Actualy I cant type worth a damn. Anyway, sarcasm really doesnt come across in writing, you need to explicitely state it.
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There have been several discussions about invoking a Sarcasm icon. Perhaps enclosing the phrase is dollar signs would do it. $Yeah, very useful!$
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Dalek Dave wrote:
taxed them at source back in the 40's
Yeah, see, there is a problem here... they didnt get any wages.... :)
Dalek Dave wrote:
And how much will it raise?
Sod all compares to the PR error. The UK still taxes black people. Perhaps we should not do so out of guilt for what our forebears did?
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
The UK still taxes black people. Perhaps we should not do so out of guilt for what our forebears did?
I am very proud of what our forbears did.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all.
Thank you very much. :) I will at least try to think a little more before obeying blindly. But it's very hard... Don't you have any tax offices? Can you dicker and haggle with the beaurocrat there? Or perhaps bribe him? I suspect that he has his laws and regulations as well and follows them. You may perhaps file a complaint if you think he did not. And he is probably also not interested in wether you find that fair or not. He's not the guy who made the laws.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse.CDP1802 wrote:
But it's very hard...
Not for me. I like breaking rules. Always have done, natural anarchist I suppose. :) Yes, you can always argue with the dumb system trying to screw you into the dirt. At the very least it is fun, even if your only satisfaction is knowing how much of their time you have wasted. :)
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There have been several discussions about invoking a Sarcasm icon. Perhaps enclosing the phrase is dollar signs would do it. $Yeah, very useful!$
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Oh no, some people who are getting free money from a state that isn't even theirs have to pay some tax on it! How awful! It takes some nerve to be 'furious' or 'outraged' at being taxed on free income which the modern German state is really under no obligation to give to these people at all. (Does Britain pay compensatory pensions for PoWs we kept and used to build infrastructure like the Orkney causeways? I don't think so.)
The clue is in the name... POWs are covered under the Geneva Convention, which allows for work to be done by them. (Strangely Officers are exempt from manual labour). But a nice try nonetheless.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
The UK still taxes black people. Perhaps we should not do so out of guilt for what our forebears did?
I am very proud of what our forbears did.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I am very proud of what our forbears did.
Great British moments in history: Invented concentration camps during the Boer war. Sold Opium to the Chinese, and went to war with them to keep on selling it. Stood back when Prussia invadesd France in 1870, then changed its mind in 1914 after Germany became a threat to Britains manufacturing base. Bought and sold slaves. Named an African country after someone who had been sentenced for runnig a protection racket back home (Rhodes). I am sure every other country has its dirty stuff too, but lets not pretend Britian is great for any other reason than it has a small neighbour also full of Britons (Britany).
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You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all. They are utterly incapable of forseeing that taxing these pensions is in any way wrong, or likely to cause offense, and at least be very bad PR. In this respect, no, they havent learnt a thing. But dont forget the Dutch faschists were so numerous they formed an SS division. There were also faschists in Belgium who worked with the Nazis. There were faschists in England who would have too, and the US dont forget, had its own Nazi party. So while it is easy to victimise Germany dont forget that against the backdrop of their time, when eugenics was popular science, and faschism was rife, they weremt so unusual. And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans.
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Oh I know, true on all counts. British army used concentration camps in Cyprus also AFTER WWII There were also collaborators in Greece (my origin) and also among the Arabs of the Middle East not to mention the Bosnian Waffen SS regiment... I can go on. However did anyone else bring a whole continent to havoc twice in 30 years in the 20th century? (Because the French managed to do so before with Napoleon...)
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Oh no, some people who are getting free money from a state that isn't even theirs have to pay some tax on it! How awful! It takes some nerve to be 'furious' or 'outraged' at being taxed on free income which the modern German state is really under no obligation to give to these people at all. (Does Britain pay compensatory pensions for PoWs we kept and used to build infrastructure like the Orkney causeways? I don't think so.)
Oh I don't know... given restitution claims from Germany where postponed in the 1950's until such time as the 2 Germanies are united in order to for justice to be properly served and then when they where united Helmut Kohl said that Germany cannot pay because it is almost bankrupt and thus restitution was never paid including to some countries Germany got HUGE loans from during the war while occupying them thus ruining them. In fact the "modern" German state is a result of damaged countries giving up on war restitution in order to help Germany rebuild its self. So YES they should pay untaxed and put a lid on it.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I am very proud of what our forbears did.
Great British moments in history: Invented concentration camps during the Boer war. Sold Opium to the Chinese, and went to war with them to keep on selling it. Stood back when Prussia invadesd France in 1870, then changed its mind in 1914 after Germany became a threat to Britains manufacturing base. Bought and sold slaves. Named an African country after someone who had been sentenced for runnig a protection racket back home (Rhodes). I am sure every other country has its dirty stuff too, but lets not pretend Britian is great for any other reason than it has a small neighbour also full of Britons (Britany).
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Britain certainly did not invent slavery, that was around for thousands of years. We were, however, the first country to ban it, then banned it throughout the Empire, and even went on several wars to end slavery across the world. I think our record on slavery is rather good, on the whole. Also, we did not sell opium to the Chinese, we bought it from them after the first opium war, and after the East Indian Company stopped getting supplied through Burma. We merely went to war to keep up the supply. The Franco Prussian war was nothing to do with us, but unfortunately the 1914-18 war was subject to defence treaties (asked for by the French) as a result of the Franco Prussian war. You cannot have it both ways. The country was named after Rhodes because of his ability to make vast amounts of money and supply diamonds (amongst many other things), to the Empire. Indeed, Britain still has the monopoly on diamond merchanting, so good for him. As for concentration camps, yes, that was one of ours, but it took a German to make it really successful. Strangely, there was an American Cavalry Captain who gave smallpox infected blankets to the Plains Tribes as a method of culling them. His name was Captain James Kirk. Weirdly not many people mention this.
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Oh I know, true on all counts. British army used concentration camps in Cyprus also AFTER WWII There were also collaborators in Greece (my origin) and also among the Arabs of the Middle East not to mention the Bosnian Waffen SS regiment... I can go on. However did anyone else bring a whole continent to havoc twice in 30 years in the 20th century? (Because the French managed to do so before with Napoleon...)
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
Alberto Bar-Noy wrote:
However did anyone else bring a whole continent to havoc twice in 30 years in the 20th century?
Objection, Your Honor! As far as I know, WW I started with the assassination of the heir to the throne of Austria, leading to a war between Austria and Serbia, which again escalated and pulled in England, Russia and France and allied countries on both sides. And yes, Germany was an ally of Austria.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
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Oh I know, true on all counts. British army used concentration camps in Cyprus also AFTER WWII There were also collaborators in Greece (my origin) and also among the Arabs of the Middle East not to mention the Bosnian Waffen SS regiment... I can go on. However did anyone else bring a whole continent to havoc twice in 30 years in the 20th century? (Because the French managed to do so before with Napoleon...)
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Oooh, touchy touchy! :) Actualy I cant type worth a damn. Anyway, sarcasm really doesnt come across in writing, you need to explicitely state it.
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Odd, I had no difficulty comprehending the sarcasm in DD's initial posting.
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Yes I understand what the Nazis did was horrific. These slave labourers should count themselves lucky that they are receiving a special pension. If they were slave labourers in most other countries they would have gotten nothing. Having said that, it is not right that the Germans drop this bomb on them know. Let them be, in another 10 to 20 years there wont be any WW2 survivors left that would qualify for the pernsion.
Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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count themselves lucky
wow, I'm almost speechless at your ignorance. The holocaust remains the benchmark of human atrocity, and you think the victims should count themselves lucky. Hopefully there's a special circle of hell reserved for people who think like this.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
How I hate that. Why are you German people always failing to understand irony and sarcasm?
No joke item, no or tags. How the hell is he supposed to read you mind?
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
How the hell is he supposed to read you mind?
The same way he went to Disneyland in his head reading DD's original post. best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I am very proud of what our forbears did.
Great British moments in history: Invented concentration camps during the Boer war. Sold Opium to the Chinese, and went to war with them to keep on selling it. Stood back when Prussia invadesd France in 1870, then changed its mind in 1914 after Germany became a threat to Britains manufacturing base. Bought and sold slaves. Named an African country after someone who had been sentenced for runnig a protection racket back home (Rhodes). I am sure every other country has its dirty stuff too, but lets not pretend Britian is great for any other reason than it has a small neighbour also full of Britons (Britany).
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Invented concentration camps during the Boer war.
I think you have been urban mythed as the idea and practice of Concentration Camps predate the Boar war even the US practiced it prior to the Boar war, examples of this type of control over disputed territories goes back to biblical times Oh and the reason why so many died in the Boar war camps was that the food supplies for these camps were attacked by the Boars. Its a often repeated claim that is completely untrue and is rolled out to diss the British.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
Stood back when Prussia invadesd France in 1870, then changed its mind in 1914 after Germany became a threat to Britains manufacturing base.
in 1870 there was no treaty that required British involvement, in 1914 there was. It was also the Military might of the united Germany that was the threat not so much economic. remember that in 1914 Britain had one of the SMALLIST armies in europe!
Erudite_Eric wrote:
Bought and sold slaves.
Yes Britain bought and sold slaves, but would you kindly state which major power didn’t? and IIRC we were the first country to actively enforce anti slavery policies (and were the second to outlaw slavery after Belgium, and even then the law in Britain started its passage before that in Belgium) I am always amazed at the rubbish spouted to defame Britain, and never any credit, did you know that that African countries under the empire had higher literacy rates that any European country? It is easy to pick out less that stella parts of Bitish rule but you need to temper it with the good it did. And compaired to some other imperial powers the British were angels the local would have suffered far greater under other powers, you only need look at what happened under french rule another point is that these countries did not have a choice between British rule or independence it was a choice of British or ONE OF THE OTHER EUROPEAN POWERS, No British empire = bigger French/German/Russian empires
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all. They are utterly incapable of forseeing that taxing these pensions is in any way wrong, or likely to cause offense, and at least be very bad PR. In this respect, no, they havent learnt a thing. But dont forget the Dutch faschists were so numerous they formed an SS division. There were also faschists in Belgium who worked with the Nazis. There were faschists in England who would have too, and the US dont forget, had its own Nazi party. So while it is easy to victimise Germany dont forget that against the backdrop of their time, when eugenics was popular science, and faschism was rife, they weremt so unusual. And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans
and the spanish had them before the British they were used in Cuba well before the Boar war just because they were called reconcentration camps does not make them any different Also they were used in many Middle eastern countries as far back as the Pharaohs
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.