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  • L Lost User

    What percentage is theat 40k, cant be 15% surely? (I mean, thats a super expensive house based on the assumption that lenders are looking for a 15% deposit these days). Still, at least you have work. On the continent renting is far more popular, thetre isnt the desire to own like in the UK. Other interesting factors are legal debt levels. In France you cant be more than 33% of youyr net in debt. So if you take home 3k a month your total outgoings on loans cant be more than 1k. You also need a good deposit, 15% is the norm. Plus mortgage terms are usualy 20 years. ALl this keeps prices low, since the cash isnt there to push them up. But it also means the owner has 66% cash each month to soend on what ever else he likes. So this actually benefits the economy since it is spent in restaurants, holidays, etc. In the UK, where housing often takes up 50% of net, there is less cash to spend elsewhere. You can see why I think the UK has gone badly wrong.

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    NormDroid
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    UK is rotten to the core, over population, high number of immigrants, too many people living off the goverment - it's a complete mess. I hope to join the migrants club and get the hell off this island in the next 15 years.

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      UK is rotten to the core, over population, high number of immigrants, too many people living off the goverment - it's a complete mess. I hope to join the migrants club and get the hell off this island in the next 15 years.

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      Lost User
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      Norm .net wrote:

      high number of immigrants

      Norm .net wrote:

      I hope to join the migrants club

      :)

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      • L Lost User

        Norm .net wrote:

        high number of immigrants

        Norm .net wrote:

        I hope to join the migrants club

        :)

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        NormDroid
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        I could just be a politician ;)

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        • D Dalek Dave

          Average price for a 3 bed semi is now £250,000 Average Salary is about £35,000 So husband and wife both on average salaries earn £70,000 per annum. For an affordable mortgage it should be no more than three times income. Thus £210,000, but assume there is a deposit of at least £40,000 then the average house is affordable to the average couple. No problem.

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          Rob Grainger
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          Couldn't disagree more, you evidently haven't tried getting a mortgage recently, without an existing home to get you started its near impossible getting a first-time mortgage. That said, while potentially in the target group for this initiative, it does remind me of the Bush governments attempts to encourage lenders to provide mortgages to all-comers and that led to the current economic crisis. Not quite as ill-thought out, but not too far off. Further, with the average salary at £25000, you can bet that the mean is somewhere under £20K - any fule no that averages are distorted by particularly high and low figures, remember if, out of 100 numbers, one is 1000000 and the remainder are 1, the average comes out at 10000.99. I suspect this distorts the average salary upwards, as there are a fair few earners in the "ridiculously high" bracket. Personally, I believe it's beyond time for a housing bubble to burst - its been overdue a number of years now. It's the only way I can anticipate getting on the housing ladder (in an area I'd actually consider living in).

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          • N NormDroid

            UK is rotten to the core, over population, high number of immigrants, too many people living off the goverment - it's a complete mess. I hope to join the migrants club and get the hell off this island in the next 15 years.

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            Rob Grainger
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            I hope as an immigrant in another country, you are doomed to the same reception as you'd give them here. (I doubt it though, the rest of world has more civilised attitudes to such migration in my experience).

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            • R Rob Grainger

              I hope as an immigrant in another country, you are doomed to the same reception as you'd give them here. (I doubt it though, the rest of world has more civilised attitudes to such migration in my experience).

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              NormDroid
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              I'm happy and welcoming for different ethnic groups to our country where there is business and jobs for them, what I don't agree with is the influx of immigrant who to come to our county for a free ride, leaching of the few people left who do work for a living.

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              • L Lost User

                Norm .net wrote:

                Devaluation won't occur,

                Have you been living on Jupiter for 4 years? :) It has happened already, not in London, admittedly, but other regions have seen drops of up to 30%, which is entirely expected in a market correction. And yes, even if digit figure remain the same, the inflation brought on by QE will devaule house proces, but dont ecxpect much activity for at least 5 years.

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                Nobody is prepare to take a drop - would you?

                When unemployment kicks in and houses get repossesed, the 'owner' has no choice...

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                Those losses are disproportionately concentrated in places where they were the worst excesses of the bubble, like those big shiny blocks of 'executive' riverside flats they put up in places like Leeds. I'm from the North (Yorkshire) and prices around us have been stable, roughly, since 2007.

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                • B BobJanova

                  Those losses are disproportionately concentrated in places where they were the worst excesses of the bubble, like those big shiny blocks of 'executive' riverside flats they put up in places like Leeds. I'm from the North (Yorkshire) and prices around us have been stable, roughly, since 2007.

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                  Lost User
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                  True. Those that saw the bug rises prior to the crash dropped the most after.

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    It does, but there is an ever increasing population, so there is always a demand for housing. I work in the sector, and we, in the UK, are not building nearly enough houses, so there is always going to be a scarcity, and therefore always a high price.

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                    There are something like 1,000,000 empty houses in the UK. Why exactly we are building more instead of trying to increase the utilisation of the ones we already have? The law should be changed to let local councils commandeer houses that lie empty for too long and bring them back into use, and until the total utilisation reaches near capacity, we do not need a big drive to build new houses.

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                    • H hairy_hats

                      There are something like 1,000,000 empty houses in the UK. Why exactly we are building more instead of trying to increase the utilisation of the ones we already have? The law should be changed to let local councils commandeer houses that lie empty for too long and bring them back into use, and until the total utilisation reaches near capacity, we do not need a big drive to build new houses.

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                      Dalek Dave
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                      Why should the state have the right to confiscate your goods and chattels? If you own it, it should be up to you to do what you want with it. Anything else is Communism.

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        Why should the state have the right to confiscate your goods and chattels? If you own it, it should be up to you to do what you want with it. Anything else is Communism.

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                        Single Step Debugger
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                        • D Dalek Dave

                          Why should the state have the right to confiscate your goods and chattels? If you own it, it should be up to you to do what you want with it. Anything else is Communism.

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                          hairy_hats
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                          Because it is acting against the common good in a way that will ultimately result in the whole of our island being covered in concrete. For myself, I'd rather leave at a green and pleasant land for our descendents to live in.

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