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  • E ed welch

    Just wondering if anyone has tried out this format. It's only supported by Chrome of coarse, but it compresses better than jpeg and supports transparency (unfortunately, not alpha transparancy just yet)

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    hairy_hats
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    ed welch wrote:

    (unfortunately, not alpha transparancy just yet)

    "WebP supports losseless transparency (also known as alpha channel)"[^]

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      Ah, yet another Google-only "web standard". When Microsoft attempt this, they get slammed; when Google do this, people laud them. Oh, it must stink to be a Softie.

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      ed welch
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      A lot of standards start off with one company introducing it and, if it's a good idea, everyone else adopting it (that's how ajax came about). You can be waiting for a long time for a standands commitee to approve something

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        ed welch wrote:

        (unfortunately, not alpha transparancy just yet)

        "WebP supports losseless transparency (also known as alpha channel)"[^]

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        ed welch
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        Not implemented yet. But in future versions of chome (hopefully)

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          Hardly. I prefer Chrome to IE, and Google search to Bing. I just can't stomach the "holier than thou" attitude.

          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

          "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

          I just can't stomach the "holier than thou" attitude.

          You missed the opportunity to add a '--- posted from my iPad ---' sig. :-D


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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          • E ed welch

            Just wondering if anyone has tried out this format. It's only supported by Chrome of coarse, but it compresses better than jpeg and supports transparency (unfortunately, not alpha transparancy just yet)

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            Lost User
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            Only when it was new. Does their encoder still suck? JPG is ancient and outdated, and WebP is theoretically better (though not state of the art), but libvpx (used to?) optimize for PSNR which is an almost useless quality metric (it loves blur - humans don't).

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            • L Lost User

              Only when it was new. Does their encoder still suck? JPG is ancient and outdated, and WebP is theoretically better (though not state of the art), but libvpx (used to?) optimize for PSNR which is an almost useless quality metric (it loves blur - humans don't).

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              ed welch
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              The image quality looks fine to me

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              • E ed welch

                The image quality looks fine to me

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                Lost User
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                Just "it'll do" or better than JPG at the same filesize?

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                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                  I just can't stomach the "holier than thou" attitude.

                  You missed the opportunity to add a '--- posted from my iPad ---' sig. :-D


                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  *Hack spit* Posted from my Samsung Galaxy 10.1 Tablet.

                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                  "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                  • L Lost User

                    Just "it'll do" or better than JPG at the same filesize?

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                    ed welch
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                    It seems to compress better than jpeg, but that's not why I would use it. jpeg doesn't have transparency. That is the whole point of using it from my point of view

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                    • E ed welch

                      It seems to compress better than jpeg, but that's not why I would use it. jpeg doesn't have transparency. That is the whole point of using it from my point of view

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                      Lost User
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                      You might as well use PNG then, right? It'll be bigger, but every browser supports it (except ancient IE's of course)

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                        *Hack spit* Posted from my Samsung Galaxy 10.1 Tablet.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        :-D


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                        • L Lost User

                          You might as well use PNG then, right? It'll be bigger, but every browser supports it (except ancient IE's of course)

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                          ed welch
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                          PNG is 5 times bigger. Totatally unaccepatable if you have big images.

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                          • E ed welch

                            PNG is 5 times bigger. Totatally unaccepatable if you have big images.

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                            So you have jpg: no transparency. png: too big. webp: not supported. So.. GIF? :laugh:

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                              *Hack spit* Posted from my Samsung Galaxy 10.1 Tablet.

                              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                              "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                              Luc Pattyn
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                              Isn't that related to the Nexus-that-may-go-all-silent-anytime? :)

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                Hardly. I prefer Chrome to IE, and Google search to Bing. I just can't stomach the "holier than thou" attitude.

                                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                Luc Pattyn
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                                I knew that. And you knew I did. And I knew you'd say that anyway. It is the product that matters, much more so than the manufacturer. :)

                                Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                                • P Pete OHanlon

                                  *Hack spit* Posted from my Samsung Galaxy 10.1 Tablet.

                                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                  "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                  Fabio Franco
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                                  *Hack spit* [2]

                                  "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson

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                                  • E ed welch

                                    Just wondering if anyone has tried out this format. It's only supported by Chrome of coarse, but it compresses better than jpeg and supports transparency (unfortunately, not alpha transparancy just yet)

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                                    Chrisgo
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                                    Did you use "coarse" because it rubs you the wrong way?

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      Only when it was new. Does their encoder still suck? JPG is ancient and outdated, and WebP is theoretically better (though not state of the art), but libvpx (used to?) optimize for PSNR which is an almost useless quality metric (it loves blur - humans don't).

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                                      Erling Limm
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                                      How about JPEG XR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XR[^] I'm curious to how it compares to WebP with compression and quality...

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                                      • E ed welch

                                        A lot of standards start off with one company introducing it and, if it's a good idea, everyone else adopting it (that's how ajax came about). You can be waiting for a long time for a standands commitee to approve something

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                                        DerekT P
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                                        There is no Ajax standard, because there is no Ajax product. Ajax is a concept, (one which I was using in earnest about two years before anyone coined the "AJAX" acronym). Unfortunately there are several competing frameworks that implement Ajax concepts in different ways, and the sad fact is that too often developers forget what it is that they're actually doing. In most Ajax situations it is FAR more efficient to write 5 lines of cross-browser code and implement a "custom" solution than to waste resources downloading and executing overly complex frameworks. Rant over. Derek TP

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                                        • E Erling Limm

                                          How about JPEG XR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XR[^] I'm curious to how it compares to WebP with compression and quality...

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                                          Lost User
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                                          I don't know, never used it. It would depend on the encoder anyway.

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