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  • C Chris Austin

    Hey KaЯl, I have always been intrigued by the history of the Foreign Legion. Just curious, what are the underlying reasons for them being in the Ivory Coast? Is it truly to prevent a larger de-stabilization in the region? Or, are they playing the parts of pawns for some political favor? And, how does the general public feel about this in France? I’m afraid I have to ask these questions here since I don’t pay for Cable/CNN. I'm just waiting for the local coverage to inform me that GWB has declared Polar Bears and Eskimos an Axis of Evil in order to pass his legislation. Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.

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    Chris Austin wrote: it truly to prevent a larger de-stabilization in the region? Or, are they playing the parts of pawns for some political favor? The two are possible.IMHO the truth is in between, no state do something for nothing. However AFAIK, the french troops avoid for the moment a bloody civil war, and a greater destabilization of Western Africa, involving Liberia and Burkina-Faso. Perhaps do Africans CPians have more info on this? Chris Austin wrote: how does the general public feel about this in France Strangly there's quiet always a global consensus on our foreign policy, whatever the government. I've never heard yet a mediatic figure protesting against our troops in Africa, whatever the country where they have to fight. The last controverse I can remember was about the Gulf War (part 1), but we didn't lead the coalition :)


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      :-D to be fair, one should mention that they restrict it to their former colonies.


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      Stan Shannon
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      peterchen wrote: to be fair, one should mention that they restrict it to their former colonies Does that mean Louisiana can expect help from French Legionaires? :omg: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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        In Ivory Coast, "Rebels" attack French troops[^]. Result: 0-30. Attacking troops from the Foreign Legion shows a high degree of courage or of unconsciousness


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        Like the british in Sierra Leone, which resulted in open elections for the first time in (I think) 15 years. Plus, african troops were involved in supporting the british troops so it is helping to develop african NATO forces, so its not just westerners doing peacekeeping. The tigress is here :-D

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          No surprise there :-D Just FYI, In 1940 the Foreign Legion was figthing in Narvik[^], in Norway, winning there perhaps the only allied victory of 1940 against Germans. They never stopped to fight during all WWII, being in the first to rally the Free French Forces. The tradition of the Legion is not to win anytime, it's to never give up, and never surrender if necessary. The emblematic battle of the Legion is a defeat, the battle of Camerone[^] At least you will learn something new today ;)


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          KaЯl wrote: The tradition of the Legion is not to win anytime, it's to never give up, and never surrender if necessary A very wise tradition.


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            No surprise there :-D Just FYI, In 1940 the Foreign Legion was figthing in Narvik[^], in Norway, winning there perhaps the only allied victory of 1940 against Germans. They never stopped to fight during all WWII, being in the first to rally the Free French Forces. The tradition of the Legion is not to win anytime, it's to never give up, and never surrender if necessary. The emblematic battle of the Legion is a defeat, the battle of Camerone[^] At least you will learn something new today ;)


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            Maximilien
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            KaЯl wrote: never give up, never surrender! Hey that's Galaxy Quest Tag Line ! :-D Max

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            • S Stan Shannon

              peterchen wrote: to be fair, one should mention that they restrict it to their former colonies Does that mean Louisiana can expect help from French Legionaires? :omg: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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              peterchen
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              the canonical definition of "restrict" does not necessarily include Lousyanna, sorry. But - hmmmm.... how much would you pay? ;)


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                Like the british in Sierra Leone, which resulted in open elections for the first time in (I think) 15 years. Plus, african troops were involved in supporting the british troops so it is helping to develop african NATO forces, so its not just westerners doing peacekeeping. The tigress is here :-D

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                Mr. Kabbah, current president of Sierra Leone, re-elected last year, was elected for the first time in 1996 (less than 7 yrs. ago). He was removed by a golpe lead by JP Koroma, the chief of the RUF (the party who committed the worst atrocities during the war). There are no African countries in NATO and most of westerners military activities in Africa was targeted to protect western people and interests (like in Liberia or in Congo) most of the foreign soldiers that did peacekeeping in African countries came from other African countries (Nigeria in Sierra Leone and Liberia) or "third world" countries (Pakistan or Malaysia) and sometimes were not so "neutral"... -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD

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                  Chris Austin wrote: it truly to prevent a larger de-stabilization in the region? Or, are they playing the parts of pawns for some political favor? The two are possible.IMHO the truth is in between, no state do something for nothing. However AFAIK, the french troops avoid for the moment a bloody civil war, and a greater destabilization of Western Africa, involving Liberia and Burkina-Faso. Perhaps do Africans CPians have more info on this? Chris Austin wrote: how does the general public feel about this in France Strangly there's quiet always a global consensus on our foreign policy, whatever the government. I've never heard yet a mediatic figure protesting against our troops in Africa, whatever the country where they have to fight. The last controverse I can remember was about the Gulf War (part 1), but we didn't lead the coalition :)


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                  Christian Graus
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                  KaЯl wrote: Strangly there's quiet always a global consensus on our foreign policy Yeah, but who cares what happens in Africa ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                  C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                  Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                  • K KaRl

                    In Ivory Coast, "Rebels" attack French troops[^]. Result: 0-30. Attacking troops from the Foreign Legion shows a high degree of courage or of unconsciousness


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                    Christian Graus
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                    Suicidal Tendencies are IMO one of the most underrated bands of the mid to late 80's. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                    C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                    Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      KaЯl wrote: Strangly there's quiet always a global consensus on our foreign policy Yeah, but who cares what happens in Africa ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                      C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                      Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                      KaRl
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                      I do what I can :-O


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                      • D David Wulff

                        KaЯl wrote: The tradition of the Legion is not to win anytime, it's to never give up, and never surrender if necessary A very wise tradition.


                        David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                        KaRl
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                        Yep, to be in a history book. Personaly I think sometimes it may be wiser to forgive, just to have the possibility to try again


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                        • K KaRl

                          On the 9 wounded, one would be seriously injured, loosing one leg.


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                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                          So, 0.34 - 30 would be a more correct figure? :-D -- Only in a world this shitty could you even try to say these were innocent people and keep a straight face.

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                            So, 0.34 - 30 would be a more correct figure? :-D -- Only in a world this shitty could you even try to say these were innocent people and keep a straight face.

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                            KaRl
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                            Yes, I made it int :)


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                            • S Stan Shannon

                              peterchen wrote: to be fair, one should mention that they restrict it to their former colonies Does that mean Louisiana can expect help from French Legionaires? :omg: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                              Maybe if the Louisiana government asks for help? :-D Vive la Louisiane Libre! ;)


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                              • K KaRl

                                Yep, to be in a history book. Personaly I think sometimes it may be wiser to forgive, just to have the possibility to try again


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                                David Wulff
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                                KaЯl wrote: Personaly I think sometimes it may be wiser to forgive, just to have the possibility to try again Never. If you have a reputation (not to mention the people able to do such a thing) of fighting to the death no matter how bleak the horizon then you will be taken very seriously indeed by your opposers, and the moral boost you'll get from winning will be incredible. The trick is to not enter situations where the horizon is so bleak you know you wont stand *any* chance of winning - that is just stupidity and has never worked (respect is useless if you have no one left to be respected).


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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  Suicidal Tendencies are IMO one of the most underrated bands of the mid to late 80's. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                                  C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                                  Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                                    How Can I Laugh Tomorrow... :cool: BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White

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                                    Christian Graus
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                                    Awsome album, but their best song IMO is 'Send me your money'. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                                    C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                                    Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                                    • S Stan Shannon

                                      When are you French going to quit trying to be the world's policemen? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                      Jerome Conus
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                                      Stan Shannon wrote: When are you French going to quit trying to be the world's policemen? When are you American going to quit trying to be the world's policemen as well ? ;-) Jerome

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