All Americans are Terrorists Now
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A "covered person has to be suspected of participation in the 9/11 event or in cahoots with a terrorist organization. American citizens do not have to meet that requirement. In other words, an American citizen can be arrested by the military for any reason - or no reason - and held indefinitely in secret, without charges being brought against him (or her), and with no legal representation.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Misquoted out of context... Look up the actual bill (SB1867 on thomas.loc.gov)... Section 1031.a gives the POTUS authority to detain covered persons as described in 1031.b.... 1031.b defines "covered persons" as having terrorist connections and so on and so forth. Section 1032.a.1 talks about how anyone detained due to 1031 has to be held in military custody. 1031.b makes an exception to THAT part for American citizens. In other words, if an American citizen is detained because of terrorist connections, they don't have to be kept in military custody, but can be held by the usual authorities. The language is just a little confusing... All that said, the whole thing still reeks of an Orwellian police state, and I hope Obama has the common sense to veto it (As he threatened to do for other reasons)...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
The Senate passed SB1867, which allows the indefinite detention of ANYONE by the military without reason, without charge, and without a trial. As a sugary sauce to add to this abomination, they are now considering a bill that loosens the restrictions on torture. Welcome to America. My ass...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Well, it is very sad to know that henceforth, Americans will be treated at par with the Iraqis and the Afghans.
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world. I'm also one of the many Americans that believe the Constituion has been attacked, subverted and trivialized by continuing legislative maneuvers ever since it was ratified in 1788.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Misquoted out of context... Look up the actual bill (SB1867 on thomas.loc.gov)... Section 1031.a gives the POTUS authority to detain covered persons as described in 1031.b.... 1031.b defines "covered persons" as having terrorist connections and so on and so forth. Section 1032.a.1 talks about how anyone detained due to 1031 has to be held in military custody. 1031.b makes an exception to THAT part for American citizens. In other words, if an American citizen is detained because of terrorist connections, they don't have to be kept in military custody, but can be held by the usual authorities. The language is just a little confusing... All that said, the whole thing still reeks of an Orwellian police state, and I hope Obama has the common sense to veto it (As he threatened to do for other reasons)...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Yes, that's how I read it: it excludes both US Citizens and legal resident aliens.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world. I'm also one of the many Americans that believe the Constituion has been attacked, subverted and trivialized by continuing legislative maneuvers ever since it was ratified in 1788.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
You mean the Bill of Rights, right? I mean, the original constitution mostly just sets up the structure of the federal government... The three branches and separation of powers, demarcation between federal and state powers, etc. It's most of the Bill of Rights (Plus amendments 13, 15, and 19) that I would agree should ideally apply to anyone, anywhere.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world. I'm also one of the many Americans that believe the Constituion has been attacked, subverted and trivialized by continuing legislative maneuvers ever since it was ratified in 1788.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
And I'm one of the many non-Americans who thinks that a statement like that is idiotic, insulting, and just plain wrong.... You can stuff your constition wherever you see fit, but don't try applying it to me laddy... Good GOD - even "*should* apply to everyone in the world" would be beyond idiocy.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
And I'm one of the many non-Americans who thinks that a statement like that is idiotic, insulting, and just plain wrong.... You can stuff your constition wherever you see fit, but don't try applying it to me laddy... Good GOD - even "*should* apply to everyone in the world" would be beyond idiocy.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
What, that everyone has the same rights and should be treated as equals? I don't see how that's idiotic.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
You mean the Bill of Rights, right? I mean, the original constitution mostly just sets up the structure of the federal government... The three branches and separation of powers, demarcation between federal and state powers, etc. It's most of the Bill of Rights (Plus amendments 13, 15, and 19) that I would agree should ideally apply to anyone, anywhere.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Et al...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
And I'm one of the many non-Americans who thinks that a statement like that is idiotic, insulting, and just plain wrong.... You can stuff your constition wherever you see fit, but don't try applying it to me laddy... Good GOD - even "*should* apply to everyone in the world" would be beyond idiocy.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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What, that everyone has the same rights and should be treated as equals? I don't see how that's idiotic.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Nice swerve there.... Absolutely I believe that everyone has the same rights and should be treated like equals....that's not what you said...you said quite clearly that the US constitution applies to everyone....no it doesn't. It applies to the USA...and ONLY the USA.... Your constitution is your business....if you guys want it to say that everybody should wear a pink shirt on Tuesdays, that's your lookout, but unless you feel like invading EVERYONE (not saying that's not something "desirable" from an American point of view), it cannot and SHOULD not apply to anyone other than US citizens....
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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Hmmm... I wonder how many billions on this planet would like to live under the model described in the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, rather than the regime under which they currently find themselves.
Probably millions.....no disagreement there....and if they want to adopt it, fine. That's completely different from Americans deciding that one of their laws applies to the whole world. But again...that's what John said....he said that he believes that it applies to everyone....which is patently incorrect, no matter how many Americans believe it. Has American law all of a sudden been adopted world wide? Until that day, it only affects Americans.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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What, that everyone has the same rights and should be treated as equals? I don't see how that's idiotic.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
What, that everyone has the same rights and should be treated as equals?
Many civilizations and countries had that before America had it. The truth is that in America, racism and racial segregation was very blatant even till a few decades ago. (I hear it's still there).
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I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world. I'm also one of the many Americans that believe the Constituion has been attacked, subverted and trivialized by continuing legislative maneuvers ever since it was ratified in 1788.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
No it doesn't, simple because of the same reason the laws in other parts of the world doesn't apply to the Americans.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
No it doesn't, simple because of the same reason the laws in other parts of the world doesn't apply to the Americans.
I meant the principles behind it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I am one of the many Americans that believes the US Constitution applies to everyone in the world.
And I'm one of the many non-Americans who thinks that a statement like that is idiotic, insulting, and just plain wrong.... You can stuff your constition wherever you see fit, but don't try applying it to me laddy... Good GOD - even "*should* apply to everyone in the world" would be beyond idiocy.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
