Lotus notes
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I'm in the process of starting a new project involving migrating Lotus Notes applications to a Microsoft platform and I was curious how many organizations are still using Lotus Notes. I thought it had fallen off long ago.
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I was an in-house consultant for a large bank HQ'd in Cleveland, Ohio that used Outlook / Exchange. I co-developed a Metrics harvesting - reporting system using the Attachmate Extra!, Outlook, Access, and Excel API's. Each of these were well-documented and easy to understand. BTW, kudos to Attachmate for out-automating MS. Extra! is a joy to control with external apps like VB and AutoIt. Anyway, in 2009 another bank HQ'd in Pittsburgh bought my bank and proceeded to destroy most of the automation we had put in place. What took me half and hour to design with MS products literally took DAYS with Notes. Horrible documentation is only the beginning. When they eliminated my entire department, I vowed that I would never again work for any shop that used Notes!
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*raises hand*, :(( Our IT policy when it come to purchasing enterprise software seems to be "find the biggest, most impractical and most poorly designed package possible and then push it on the users with no training."
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*raises hand*, :(( Our IT policy when it come to purchasing enterprise software seems to be "find the biggest, most impractical and most poorly designed package possible and then push it on the users with no training."
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Our IT policy when it come to purchasing enterprise software seems to be "find the biggest, most impractical and most poorly designed package possible and then push it on the users with no training."
Reminds me of a former employer. A manager came to me one day and asked the cost of a development package. I was working in Visual Basic at the time and I said $300. A coworker heard this and popped up in his cube and said, "We need to develop in Smalltalk, otherwise we aren't using Objects and we won't have code re-use." 'Objects' were the buzzword du jour. "How much would that cost?" the manager asked. "$5000 per compiler image and $300 per application seat." The manager turned back to me, "How much for the VB compiler?" "300 bucks," I said. So of course they went with Smalltalk. A language that only one person programmed in and one person maintained (me). It was shortly tossed on the technological scrap heap as word of Java and Intranet memes took over.
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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Yeah, it's still in use... By many big organisations.. You can thank the brilliant IT managers (that is, the people who have no clue how to use a computer, but who get fancy dinners, golf invites, and other freebies from Lotus vendors).
We used it until fairly recently. A license came bundled with every IBM server system that we bought, so it was essentially "free". We used it for all sorts of things -- email, collaboration, documentation, bug tracking, test plan tracking, etc. It worked for us, although it was pretty dated -- kinda had to hop in the 'ol wayback machine and pop on back to 1985 to feel comfortable with the UI :) We were a startup, and the Lotus team didn't wine-n-dine anybody to get us to use it.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I'm in the process of starting a new project involving migrating Lotus Notes applications to a Microsoft platform and I was curious how many organizations are still using Lotus Notes. I thought it had fallen off long ago.
No comment
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I'm in the process of starting a new project involving migrating Lotus Notes applications to a Microsoft platform and I was curious how many organizations are still using Lotus Notes. I thought it had fallen off long ago.
No comment
Currently I'm working on my company's client network and the company still uses Lotus Notes. The company is in the process of migrating it to microsoft, but many (like me) are still on Lotus Notes. It's a huge worldwide financial corporation. I was surprised too when I first saw it.
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson
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I work for a large corporation. IT just started rolling out a Lotus Notes upgrade (from 6.5 to 8.5). It's even slower and more bloated now. Did I mention that I HATE NOTES!!!
I think we work for the same corporation, just got Lotus 8.5 X|
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson
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I'm in the process of starting a new project involving migrating Lotus Notes applications to a Microsoft platform and I was curious how many organizations are still using Lotus Notes. I thought it had fallen off long ago.
No comment
nope, still heavily in use. I worked for a dev shop that used it. The current version is build in Java on eclipse (I believe) and it crashes a lot. The navigation is totally un-user-friendly. Makes you appreciate Outlook, which is a bloated whale.
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Yeah, it's still in use... By many big organisations.. You can thank the brilliant IT managers (that is, the people who have no clue how to use a computer, but who get fancy dinners, golf invites, and other freebies from Lotus vendors).
the longer I live the more I find that just because you're in charge doesn't mean you can think.
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nope, still heavily in use. I worked for a dev shop that used it. The current version is build in Java on eclipse (I believe) and it crashes a lot. The navigation is totally un-user-friendly. Makes you appreciate Outlook, which is a bloated whale.
long live web mail!!!
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Our huge, international corp. just got off Lotus Notes and gave us all outlook, this year. It was like being able to see for the first time. Presumably.
I wonder what makes you feel so bad about Lotus Notes? :doh:
Regards, Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji
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I'm in the process of starting a new project involving migrating Lotus Notes applications to a Microsoft platform and I was curious how many organizations are still using Lotus Notes. I thought it had fallen off long ago.
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What are the options apart from Outlook?
Regards, Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji
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I'm in the process of starting a new project involving migrating Lotus Notes applications to a Microsoft platform and I was curious how many organizations are still using Lotus Notes. I thought it had fallen off long ago.
No comment
You're a bit late to ask: about 15-17 years ago I was part of a team that developed a management system for Mobile network maintenance orders. it took ~20 people 3 years to develop, and we had another client ask for it. All it would have taken was a few adaptions and maybe 2-3 months of time. But then the manager of the client was swapped out for another who decided all this could be done in Lotus Notes just as well. I don't recall that company's name, and that's just as well, because a few months later you stopped hearing from them (it was big enough to be the subject of news reports on a regular basis). For all I know it went down the drain. And real fast too!
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And you helped by killing one yourself. Stand in the corner, and repeat: "I believe in fully integrated solution technologies" 100 times.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
Surprisingly, Lotus Notes is more of a fully integrated solution technology than certain well known packages from certain well known suppliers; and cheaper per seat and more secure and more flexible. It has had scheduling (calendars / meetings), mail, customisable / tailor-made enterprise applications and groupware etc from day 1. However, it's history mitigates against it - as newer platforms (e.g. Windows, TCP/IP, the Internet, mobile devices) have come along, it has had to absorb them into its environment but has had to maintain backwards compatibility. It is that backwards compatibility that is its pain point. The old gripes about it - you need to have a large client application - no longer apply as it can be run on any browser / smartphone / PC without the client (although the client s/w is the best way to run it). It has kept me in a job for over a decade!
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I work for a large corporation. IT just started rolling out a Lotus Notes upgrade (from 6.5 to 8.5). It's even slower and more bloated now. Did I mention that I HATE NOTES!!!
Not only you:mad: Been using 8.5 for some time now and it sucks
