Programming question
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
You've got a low hanging fruit chasing you...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Isn't that the same thing as a scrotum?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
For God's sack
Not sure if that is the right word. And I'm positive that anything further from me will be un-KSS.
OMG. i shall strive to use "for God's sack" always, from now on.
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Isn't that the same thing as a scrotum?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I believe that a scrotum does have at least some use, unlike troll.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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OMG. i shall strive to use "for God's sack" always, from now on.
It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Write it according to your own principles. They might not be right, but at least you can live or die by them. :)
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
or die
Until six months later when you try and edit the code. :)
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Nah, that was over the weekend. :sigh: Edit: Someone doesn't like you today. +5 to counter a silly unibrowed-voter.
RJOberg wrote:
Someone doesn't like you today
The funny part is that they down-voted me without even knowing what it meant...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
For God's sake, do it right! I have seen too many /quick jobs/ that evolved from helping one person to becoming used company wide. Where the code is shyte, the extensibility is greatly reduced and at some point the whole shedangs need to be redone. [edit] Looks like I can not spell today.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
becoming used company wide
Or worse. I was asked to do a rush demo about 25 years ago - work through the weekend, hurl it together job for demo on Monday. "OK," says I "provided everyone understands it's a demo only, and we will need months to get the full thing working properly." "Yes, yes - just do it" comes the reply. Take the computer home, coffee, pizza, hack hack. Monday the demo is up and limping. What happens? The sales guys sold it and we had to maintain that POS for three years...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day.
This alone does not make it bad code. I hate pojects that have too many unnecessary interfaces/abstractions, it takes forever for you to find the code that does the real work. Just my two cents.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day.
Really, I do neither. What I do is somewhere in the middle. If I am writing something quickly for a one-time or infrequent situation, with an IT or developer-only user base, then it's unlikely I would give it a data access layer, or that I would invent anything resembling a class hierarchy. At least, I would avoid doing any extra work toward these ends. Those sorts of applications tend to lend themselves to procedural thinking anyway. However, I do not "say f'it and write the app like a retard", either. I will still bring to this work a skepticism of magic literals, a certain set of identifier selection conventions, and a general intent to make my code as robust, resilient, and configurable as reasonably possible.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)If doing it right takes more than double the time of doing it like a 'tard then do as your boss says. if it really bothers afterwards then come back to it and clean it up on your own time. if the difference in time though is minimal then do it right. this is like an interview question... :doh: to which my answer is that the ultimately that the customer is right and while I can try to influence their decision as much as possible I have to follow and implement their decision so long as it does not violate my personal ethics or morals.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)When asked to do something like this I always confirm it in an email with 'Are you absolutely certain you want me to do it this way?'
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
do you say f'it and write the app like a retard?
Never go full retard.
Slacker007 wrote:
I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong
If he is saying to do it the quick and dirty way, do it as professionally as you can, then when he sees the code and asks "why did you waste all that time making the code look good," tell him "I didn't... my quick and dirty code is the same as your best code. This comes so naturally to me, that it would actually take longer to make it any crappier."
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
No, he must be challenged. Don't accept stuff like this just because he's the boss but explain why you are genetically constrained from doing it. If he insists then get it in writing.
Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation - Len Goodman
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Slacker007 wrote:
do you say f'it and write the app like a retard?
Never go full retard.
Slacker007 wrote:
I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong
If he is saying to do it the quick and dirty way, do it as professionally as you can, then when he sees the code and asks "why did you waste all that time making the code look good," tell him "I didn't... my quick and dirty code is the same as your best code. This comes so naturally to me, that it would actually take longer to make it any crappier."
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
"I didn't... my quick and dirty code is the same as your best code. This comes so naturally to me, that it would actually take longer to make it any crappier."
That sounds insufficiently diplomatic to me. There is a way to say this without bringing the quality of the other person's code (or, the lack thereof) into the discussion.
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Tell him you're getting a woody, and he'll leave you alone. Trust me on this. EDIT ============== 1-voted AGAIN! Geeze! And to think this isn't even the funniest thing I've posted today... :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Wasn me this time I swear. I put a five'r up due to funny, and would awesome to see the other persons face (and likely something I'd do strangely). there should be a houserule of not encouraging the nocturnals. My response would have been to fake crying really. :)
///////////////// -Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Of course I do! I also have made it a good practice to never lok at such code again.
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This is why I asked the question a while back...what makes you a senior dev, the fact that you are 400 years old and have been coding since your were 3 years old or the fact that you actually know what the fuck you are doing. This guy is an idiot, i know it.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Trust me... I know the feeling... won't get into it [online, in a public forum]... but I know the feeling... X|
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Slacker007 wrote:
i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day.
This alone does not make it bad code. I hate pojects that have too many unnecessary interfaces/abstractions, it takes forever for you to find the code that does the real work. Just my two cents.
That's true... abstraction where needed, not for the sake of making things abstract.
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Isn't that the same thing as a scrotum?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Yep. you really pissed someone off. I gave you a fiver to compensate.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
