Programming question
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From 25 years ago? Probably dead of liver failure, given the amount "good" salesmen tend to drink...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)We don't follow good coding practices to show others! We follow those for our own sake. He is probably a Senior dev by accident. You may write such crappy code if you are sure you will never ever have to maintain any part of it. But remember God is watching u. :)
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It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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They are called best practices for a reason. They are not made for other developers, they are made for every developer, including yourself. The initial overhead might suck, but it surely pays off on the long run. You don't want to have your own magic code come after your ass later on. And there's no such thing no one else will see. Eventually someone will see it, you never know when a project gets more people involved, or when it switches hands. Be kind to the developer that comes to support your application when you're gone. He might even give you a call to say thank you, instead of "what the hell you've done here?"
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson
well said and very true.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Always do it right. If the "senior" says you need to do it wrong... Make sure it is known by other people that he ordered you to do it wrong. And protest heavily. That's what I would do.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
wout de zeeuw wrote:
Someday a guy younger than you will come along and think you're the idiot.
not a chance in hell. :cool:
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)that makes me older than you. ;P
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Yep. you really pissed someone off. I gave you a fiver to compensate.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)The funny thing is that the rating system 'downrates' outliers anyway, so the assembled 'make up for' 5ers may actually cause a higher rating in the end! :D
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
or die
Until six months later when you try and edit the code. :)
Why edit? Refactor!
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Of course. I'll have to look at it again some day even if no one else does.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Rigth, you can do your app without follow best practices. Even you can do it without follow any practice at all. But, unless the app would be for your personal use, or you're the company owner, you can't be absolutely sure that somebody else should have to modify your code one day. And regardless if you or someone else will modify the app after, it's a good thing to use a practice instead of do the things at fly, or in spaghetti style, because although you delay more time to do the app today, you could be saving to shoot your feet in the future. In other hand, if setting the title of 'senior' to every developer could make them good developers, that will solve all the development issues in the IT world ;P . P.D.: The first lesson of a good teacher is that he NOT always is right.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Integrity is what you do when no one is watching
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Yeah, even if no other devs will read my code I WILL be reading my code. And like any other programmer out there I want to read readable code, even if it's my own :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Tell him that unprofessional conduct is a disciplinary offence, but is not as serious as incitement to commit the offence - that constitutes 'bring the company into disrepute', which is gross misconduct and he can be summarily dismissed for it. If he values his job, he must allow you to procede in a proper manner. If this has no effect, tell him that you are notifying his doctor / car mechanic / whatever that his stated preferred policy is to want negligent, unprofessional and unsafe treatment and they can cut corners with his health with impunity.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)If he were a good senior dev, wouldn't he subscribe to the the lounge and see all this ramblings about him??
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)If the code is one time use, won't be checked in, nobody else will ever see it, and there's no chance you'll ever have to go back into it to make any changes, then yeah, toss all the good practices that don't help you get it done quickly. I've yet to find any work code that has ever met any of those qualities. Only code for my own personal projects sometimes meets all those criteria, and even then, sometimes I've been wrong.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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For God's sake, do it right! I have seen too many /quick jobs/ that evolved from helping one person to becoming used company wide. Where the code is shyte, the extensibility is greatly reduced and at some point the whole shedangs need to be redone. [edit] Looks like I can not spell today.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
For God's sake, do it right!
I have seen too many /quick jobs/ that evolved from helping one person to becoming used company wide. Where the code is shyte, the extensibility is greatly reduced and at some point the whole shedangs need to be redone.So true! I watched something that we started to call the "revolving iterative prototype" slip into production under the radar and then suddenly the business unit using it (yep, real users, not tech savvy IT types who might be understanding if something was a little shaky). The users wanted to start adding features, requesting bug fixes and after a year or so made a formal request to expand it to a suite of applications. :omg: When I left the company some 7 years later some parts of the expanded suite were still in use. I was the last developer in the company who was there when it was born and, luckily, managed to put a good bit of distance between myself and the suite in that time.
Mike Devenney
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If you are writing an app that no one will see (other devs), do you still follow best practices i.e. creating classes, data access layers, blah, blah, blah? or, do you say f'it and write the app like a retard? i.e. putting all 5-8K lines of code in one form class and calling it a day. I am being asked by a senior dev to do something that I feel is fundamentally wrong as a programmer but he is the "senior" dev and thus must be obeyed.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)By the tone of the question, I'm assuming that the senior dev has asked you to throw together something quick and dirty to get a specific job done. Under the right conditions, that may be ok. If it is a run-once tool to correct/convert something in persistant storage (example - you have been storing some text data, say xml, in a VARCHAR(MAX) column of a table in the database and need to start compressing the data and storing the compressed byte array in a new IMAGE column to save drive space. Converting the existing entries would be a good job for a one-off run-once tool). It's ok to write something like this without adhearing to all of the "best practices" as long as it runs once and gets the job done correctly. Data import from a legacy application to a new one is another example. However, if it is something that is to be a part of the system, even for a short while, you are right to want to make it as stable and maintainable as is allowed under whatever time constraints you have. That being said, I don't know the office politics climate where you work. If your senior developer is a real tyrant and has the ear of management, there is no need to argue or stress over it, just do it and move on. If he is open to ideas and suggestions, voice your concerns, and once you have, follow whatever decision he comes up with. The reality is that, in the end, you are there to do a job. I recognize and applaud your passion for doing it right, but until you are the one in the position to make those decisions, I'm afraid you're going to be stuck doing as you're told (sometimes called "paying your dues"). As distasteful as it may sometimes seem, you don't need to let that passion die, but you may need to occasionally rein it in a bit, and get the job done.
Kevin Rucker, Application Programmer QSS Group, Inc. United States Coast Guard OSC Kevin.D.Rucker@uscg.mil "Programming is an art form that fights back." -- Chad Hower
