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Do you want to trust a machine and go under the knife?

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    You might rethink after reading this. Clickety[^]

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      You might rethink after reading this. Clickety[^]

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      Better it went offline BEFORE the operation and not DURING.

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        You might rethink after reading this. Clickety[^]

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        Kinda gives a new meaning to BSOD.

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          You might rethink after reading this. Clickety[^]

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          Journo Wrote:

          Mahendra Shah (name withheld on request) was slated to go under the knife Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/robot-freezes-during-prostate-cancer-surgery-158088?pfrom=home-otherstories&cp

          Am I misreading this or was the poor chap called Mahendra Shah? Anyway this sort of thing is all about risk: is the risk of a robot malfunction less than the risk of a surgeon doing it by hand. The answer is more than likely yes, otherwise the surgeons would be doing it manually. It might not even be possible to do this by hand, some of the robots scale down the surgeons movements, who in turn view things magnified, allowing tiny precise operations. So the answer is yes - I would trust a machine.

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            Journo Wrote:

            Mahendra Shah (name withheld on request) was slated to go under the knife Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/robot-freezes-during-prostate-cancer-surgery-158088?pfrom=home-otherstories&cp

            Am I misreading this or was the poor chap called Mahendra Shah? Anyway this sort of thing is all about risk: is the risk of a robot malfunction less than the risk of a surgeon doing it by hand. The answer is more than likely yes, otherwise the surgeons would be doing it manually. It might not even be possible to do this by hand, some of the robots scale down the surgeons movements, who in turn view things magnified, allowing tiny precise operations. So the answer is yes - I would trust a machine.

            Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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            A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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            I think Mahendra Shah is the Indian equivalent of John Smith or Joe Bloggs, it is a metaphor for 'A Bloke'.

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              I think Mahendra Shah is the Indian equivalent of John Smith or Joe Bloggs, it is a metaphor for 'A Bloke'.

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              Dalek Dave wrote:

              I think Mahendra Shah is the Indian equivalent of John Smith or Joe Bloggs

              Actually, we in India do not have the equivalent of John Smith or John Doe. The media uses any name in place of the real name.

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                Journo Wrote:

                Mahendra Shah (name withheld on request) was slated to go under the knife Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/robot-freezes-during-prostate-cancer-surgery-158088?pfrom=home-otherstories&cp

                Am I misreading this or was the poor chap called Mahendra Shah? Anyway this sort of thing is all about risk: is the risk of a robot malfunction less than the risk of a surgeon doing it by hand. The answer is more than likely yes, otherwise the surgeons would be doing it manually. It might not even be possible to do this by hand, some of the robots scale down the surgeons movements, who in turn view things magnified, allowing tiny precise operations. So the answer is yes - I would trust a machine.

                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                -Or-
                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                Keith Barrow wrote:

                So the answer is yes - I would trust a machine.

                Yes, as long as it is supervised by humans. :-)

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                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  I think Mahendra Shah is the Indian equivalent of John Smith or Joe Bloggs

                  Actually, we in India do not have the equivalent of John Smith or John Doe. The media uses any name in place of the real name.

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                  I guess there are a lot of Mahendra Shahs in India cringing today, and getting it in the neck.

                  Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                  A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                    Keith Barrow wrote:

                    So the answer is yes - I would trust a machine.

                    Yes, as long as it is supervised by humans. :-)

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                    A robot can cut you into nice portions like a turkey before its 'supervisor' can say 'what the...???'. :) Never trust a computer which you have not (mis-)programmed yourself :)

                    And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
                    "Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"

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                    And it came worse.

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                      You might rethink after reading this. Clickety[^]

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                      Nikil S
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                      Shameel wrote:

                      Do you want to trust a machine

                      We do trust an aeroplane to fly, isn't it?

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                        Kinda gives a new meaning to BSOD.

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                        Chris C-B wrote:

                        BSOD

                        Bloody Scream of Death ?

                        Watched code never compiles.

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                          You might rethink after reading this. Clickety[^]

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                          I would bet that machines would have lower error rates than humans; the problem is that every one mistake gets magnified because it's a machine, whereas human errors are just human. If every car was roboticized, I am sure we would have a tiny fraction of the auto deaths we do now (50,000/year in the US, I believe--that's an entire decent sized town every year). Driving is trivial for today's computers and sensors. But if a software bug caused one death (even while saving thousands), the outcry would shut the whole industry down. But the auto industry is easing us into it; first with collision warnings, then automatic parallel parking, now cars that prevent lane drift (so now it's safer to drive drunk... umm). Hopefully before we know it we'll be able to kick back and play Angry Birds, obsessively update facebook and text our mistresses while our car drives us to work. Today we have to do all that while driving distracts us from it.

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