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    unknowndentified10111
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    Our scrum members consist of: 2 Development Team member :omg: , 0 Scrum Master :wtf: , 10 Product Owner X| . Is this healthy? :sigh:

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      Our scrum members consist of: 2 Development Team member :omg: , 0 Scrum Master :wtf: , 10 Product Owner X| . Is this healthy? :sigh:

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      Well, it's pretty healthy for me. Mind you, I'm not involved, which makes me happy. :-D

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        Well, it's pretty healthy for me. Mind you, I'm not involved, which makes me happy. :-D

        Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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        I have given a response this week to someone who called the office. They bought a house we built about 13 years ago, but they bought it from the original purchaser. They added an extension to the house. There is a leakage into the inner wall from where the new extension meets the old house and they want us to come out to fix it at our expense as it is leaking into the part of the house we built. I explained that our guarantee (back by the NHBC) was for 10 years, that the difficulty arose after THEY added an extension, it was not our construction and that if there were defects then they should have been told about them by the people they bought the house off. "But this is a major problem" he said. "Yes, it is a problem", said I, "But fortunately, not mine, goodbye!" and put the phone down.

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          Our scrum members consist of: 2 Development Team member :omg: , 0 Scrum Master :wtf: , 10 Product Owner X| . Is this healthy? :sigh:

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          You know the answer. 0. You must have a scrum master, even if it is the product owner. Someone needs to be responsible for facilitating the process. 1. There can be only one product owner, you have nine extra twits who want to be important. Their role is really just stakeholders; their input matters, but it should be through the product owner. 2. All the developers should be in the scrum team. Otherwise it's a f'uped bastard child that is not agile because decisions are taken that affect people who aren't at the stand-up. 3. You do have stand-ups?


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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            You know the answer. 0. You must have a scrum master, even if it is the product owner. Someone needs to be responsible for facilitating the process. 1. There can be only one product owner, you have nine extra twits who want to be important. Their role is really just stakeholders; their input matters, but it should be through the product owner. 2. All the developers should be in the scrum team. Otherwise it's a f'uped bastard child that is not agile because decisions are taken that affect people who aren't at the stand-up. 3. You do have stand-ups?


            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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            I mis-interpret Product Owner as stakeholders, that should be stakeholders. Is the Product Owner the "Gold Owner"? :doh: The developers are indeed in the scrum team, I might have used different terms but I think common sense can justify it. And yes, we do have daily stand-ups. :cool:

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              I mis-interpret Product Owner as stakeholders, that should be stakeholders. Is the Product Owner the "Gold Owner"? :doh: The developers are indeed in the scrum team, I might have used different terms but I think common sense can justify it. And yes, we do have daily stand-ups. :cool:

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              I thought Van Helsing was a Stakeholder.

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                I mis-interpret Product Owner as stakeholders, that should be stakeholders. Is the Product Owner the "Gold Owner"? :doh: The developers are indeed in the scrum team, I might have used different terms but I think common sense can justify it. And yes, we do have daily stand-ups. :cool:

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                Nagy Vilmos
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                Even so, you must have a Scrum Master to take responsibility for the whole process. It's a waste of time unless someone is cunning the show.


                Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                  Even so, you must have a Scrum Master to take responsibility for the whole process. It's a waste of time unless someone is cunning the show.


                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                  Does the person running have to be cunning? Or can the boss take the loss From the dog on the backlog Taking rice from the mice? Can we have rum in our SCRUM Or must the owner take a loaner? I must give a hand up to help at the standup And remember not to turn down our burn down.

                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                  "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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                    Does the person running have to be cunning? Or can the boss take the loss From the dog on the backlog Taking rice from the mice? Can we have rum in our SCRUM Or must the owner take a loaner? I must give a hand up to help at the standup And remember not to turn down our burn down.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                    "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                    Nagy Vilmos
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                    :thumbsup: kept [see my bio-page]


                    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                      :thumbsup: kept [see my bio-page]


                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                      It's fair to say that I'm honoured.

                      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                        It's fair to say that I'm honoured.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        Dishonourable more like; I've seen the photos. :laugh:


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          I mis-interpret Product Owner as stakeholders, that should be stakeholders. Is the Product Owner the "Gold Owner"? :doh: The developers are indeed in the scrum team, I might have used different terms but I think common sense can justify it. And yes, we do have daily stand-ups. :cool:

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                          Lost User
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                          Yet another classic example of why Agile and Scrum are largely a waste of time.

                          Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation - Len Goodman

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                            Dishonourable more like; I've seen the photos. :laugh:


                            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                            AspDotNetDev
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                            Me too, which reminds me... What did the mother say to Michael Jackson at the beach? Get out of my sun.

                            gavindon wrote:

                            When it comes to pay the rent no matter what [...] I just blew a tranny [...] you do what you gotta do.

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                              Dishonourable more like; I've seen the photos. :laugh:


                              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                              Pete OHanlon
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                              Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                              I've seen the photos

                              So you should have. They were on display after the court case.

                              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                              "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                Our scrum members consist of: 2 Development Team member :omg: , 0 Scrum Master :wtf: , 10 Product Owner X| . Is this healthy? :sigh:

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                                I think my scrum team is more disfunctional: - Scrum master: Me. - Product Owner: Me (not by choice, but because I cannot get anyone else to invest the time) - Stakeholders: About 10, though I have to drag half kicking and screaming to the monthly meetings, I insist upon participation so they cannot claim they did not know the product direction. - Development team members: Myself full time plus 4 others...20% of the time. One helps 40% anyway and does solid work, one helps 10% and I have to redo half of what he does, one helps 5% and I have to redo everything he does, the last does nothing and I think that is probably for the best. This is the only project in my company which is using SCRUM. I insisted upon SCRUM because I use the sprint planning as an excuse to keep management from changing our development direction every few hours. I am not kidding. This strategy has been working perfectly so far, a fact which I attribute to my use of snazzy Agile lingo and charts whenever management tries to figure out "how they can improve things". I suspect nobody wants to show up on one of my charts at the next meeting as the cause of the product delay. Excepting the craziness at this company, I think the primary value of Agile/SCRUM is that I will be able to put it on my resume to get me in the door of my next employer (where hopefully I will not have to work with the last 3 people who are "helping" me).

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                                  Our scrum members consist of: 2 Development Team member :omg: , 0 Scrum Master :wtf: , 10 Product Owner X| . Is this healthy? :sigh:

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                                  You have too many developers -- promote the less-experiecned one to Scrum Master so he can learn from the one who gets things done.

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