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  • P Paul Watson

    (If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
    Cape Town, South Africa

    My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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    Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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    It's about time. Let's hope things actually improve over there. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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    • P Paul Watson

      Konstantin Vasserman wrote: If you get bored you can take a look at some of my photos here: click[^] :-D another CPian on photoSIG.com, great stuff! Really like the Self Portrait shot in the cat's eye. I am on photoSIG too, not many points yet though :) Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I myself have jumped back into photography a couple of months ago after about 15 year break. I am enjoying it very much even though I don't have much time lately to experiment with it. Well I am brand new to photography and am having a whale of a time figuring everything out. I keep bugging ChrisM (he knows photography too... just what doesn't he know about I have no idea!) and may just start bugging you :-D

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
      Cape Town, South Africa

      My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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      I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there. Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice :) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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        I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there. Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice :) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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        Paul Watson
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        benjymous wrote: I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there Does not take courage (well, ok, it does take some but not too much if you do the following.) All it takes is a wanting to learn. As the about page says photosig.com is not a photo host. It is not there so you can upload 1000s of photos and have them archived. It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. benjymous wrote: Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com and prove we programmers can be creative :-D

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
        Cape Town, South Africa

        My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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          benjymous wrote: I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there Does not take courage (well, ok, it does take some but not too much if you do the following.) All it takes is a wanting to learn. As the about page says photosig.com is not a photo host. It is not there so you can upload 1000s of photos and have them archived. It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. benjymous wrote: Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com and prove we programmers can be creative :-D

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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          Paul Watson wrote: It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. Yeah, and that's where the courage comes in ;) Paul Watson wrote: I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. Yeah - doing panoramas is something I've always liked. My grandfather always used to do it manually (i.e. just take lots of photos that you'd have to spread out on a table to see the full view) - he'd have loved playing with the stitching software. Sadly whenever I look at them I can always see the joins - I guess I need to perfect my technique so I can take the set of photos as quickly as possible, to prevent things like light levels changing majorly, and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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            Paul Watson wrote: It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. Yeah, and that's where the courage comes in ;) Paul Watson wrote: I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. Yeah - doing panoramas is something I've always liked. My grandfather always used to do it manually (i.e. just take lots of photos that you'd have to spread out on a table to see the full view) - he'd have loved playing with the stitching software. Sadly whenever I look at them I can always see the joins - I guess I need to perfect my technique so I can take the set of photos as quickly as possible, to prevent things like light levels changing majorly, and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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            benjymous wrote: and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level Holy crap you did not use a tripod? Wow, more kudos to you then. Hard enough taking panoramics with a tripod, never mind without :-D

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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              benjymous wrote: and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level Holy crap you did not use a tripod? Wow, more kudos to you then. Hard enough taking panoramics with a tripod, never mind without :-D

              Paul Watson
              Bluegrass
              Cape Town, South Africa

              My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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              Nope - just held by hand. My camera (Digital Ixus V) has a "stitch assist" mode which is damn handy though (it displays a portion of the previous image so you can get the overlap lined up nicely, but you still have to manually make sure you keep the horizon at the same position through all the pics, else the stitching software has to crop a lot of the image off the top and bottom, which is always a shame :( -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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              • P Paul Watson

                (If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.

                Paul Watson
                Bluegrass
                Cape Town, South Africa

                My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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                It is to be hoped, too, that he'll leave quietly, rather than emulating someone like Idi Amin. I've gone to find myself. If I should get back before I return, please keep me here.

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                • P Paul Watson

                  KaЯl wrote: Sorry, a country can't live without its past. Having no trial doesn't mean to forget, Justice and History are two different dimensions of the problem. Indeed and I can guarantee that nobody is going to forget Mugabe. No matter where he goes he will be remebered and reviled. Actually exiling him is going to be a good thing because he will find himself in a foreign country without his cronies and will be shocked at his lack of power and respect. I will not be surprised if he dies a swift (but natural) death once he has left Zim, his mind is only propped up by his cronies in Zim at the moment. KaЯl wrote: About this, how do you judge the "thruth and reconciliation" policy? For the common man in SA I don't think it has made any difference. It has only helped the political wheeler deelers. KaЯl wrote: have only a few info on Zibabwe I lived there for 5 years and I love that country. So my concern is just.

                  Paul Watson
                  Bluegrass
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                  My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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                  Paul Watson wrote: Actually exiling him is going to be a good thing because he will find himself in a foreign country without his cronies and will be shocked at his lack of power and respect. We could offer him Iraq if he promises to leave quietly... I've gone to find myself. If I should get back before I return, please keep me here.

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                    Paul Watson wrote: I am on photoSIG too Cool! :-D Paul Watson wrote: Well I am brand new to photography and am having a whale of a time figuring everything out. I consider myself new to photography as well. Not only 15 years is a long enough period to forget most of the details, but I have also made a jump from B&W to color and from film to digital. Needless to say I was kind of lost for a while there. But I think that I am getting a hold of the situation pretty quickly, so I hope to be up to speed on my photography skills soon. After all, it is not the equipment or format that maters but your ability to see things in unique way. I don't know if I have it but I am enjoying the process of figuring it out. Paul Watson wrote: may just start bugging you I am not sure how much of a help I can be, but feel free to ask questions any time.

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                    Wow! You started on B&W too? I got started with a Brownie box camera, and developed the films sitting on the floor in my bedroom closet. I'd bet that drove my Mom nuts, but she never complained. I started a photo club in High School, and got them to build us a darkroom with real equipment, then went on to form a club at UC Irvine. There we got a whole building (a very tiny one at the edge of the athletic fields) from the school, and I learned that businesses could be counted on to donate very nice equipment to students for a good cause! We've sure come a long way... I can't wait to get a decent digital camera one day!:-D I've gone to find myself. If I should get back before I return, please keep me here.

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                      benjymous wrote: I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there Does not take courage (well, ok, it does take some but not too much if you do the following.) All it takes is a wanting to learn. As the about page says photosig.com is not a photo host. It is not there so you can upload 1000s of photos and have them archived. It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. benjymous wrote: Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com and prove we programmers can be creative :-D

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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                      Paul Watson wrote: We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com Interesting site that. Might go and upload a few of mine later in the week; I like 'em but I've no idea what other people would think. Paul Pleasently caving in, I come undone - Queens of the Stone Age, No One Knows

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                        (If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.

                        Paul Watson
                        Bluegrass
                        Cape Town, South Africa

                        My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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                        :bob: run's Zimbabwe?! Sorry, I haven't been following Zimbabwe affairs recently - there's just too much shit going on in the world to pay attention to all of it. :(( Certainly sounds like a good idea though.

                        David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                          (If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.

                          Paul Watson
                          Bluegrass
                          Cape Town, South Africa

                          My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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                          We can only hope Paul :suss: From breadbasket to starvation :( The tigress is here :-D

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                            :bob: run's Zimbabwe?! Sorry, I haven't been following Zimbabwe affairs recently - there's just too much shit going on in the world to pay attention to all of it. :(( Certainly sounds like a good idea though.

                            David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                            David Wulff wrote: run's Zimbabwe?! LOL, no, if that were so Zim would be a utopia. Bob is short for Robert. And the primate in charge of Zim is named Robert Mugabe. Plus he even looks apeish. David Wulff wrote: Sorry, I haven't been following Zimbabwe affairs recently - there's just too much sh*t going on in the world to pay attention to all of it. No problem David, I don't expect anyone but Zimbabweans and other southern Africans to really care much.

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
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                            My humble photographic tribute to our world[^]

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                              Wow! You started on B&W too? I got started with a Brownie box camera, and developed the films sitting on the floor in my bedroom closet. I'd bet that drove my Mom nuts, but she never complained. I started a photo club in High School, and got them to build us a darkroom with real equipment, then went on to form a club at UC Irvine. There we got a whole building (a very tiny one at the edge of the athletic fields) from the school, and I learned that businesses could be counted on to donate very nice equipment to students for a good cause! We've sure come a long way... I can't wait to get a decent digital camera one day!:-D I've gone to find myself. If I should get back before I return, please keep me here.

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                              Roger Wright wrote: You started on B&W too? Yes. I started with B&W when I was in high school. I had some cheap but decent quality Russian made camera. I was doing my own development and printing. I had to use blankets and whatever else I could find to block all the sources of the light, so I basically had to seal myself in the room for a few hours in order to do anything with photography. I am not sure what happened afterwards but somehow I had completely abandoned this hobby. I went back to St. Petersburg, Russia last year after 10 years of living here in US. I took a very simple point-and-shoot 35mm camera with me. I've started taking pictures and I couldn't stop. I've purchased a good digital camera as soon as I came back to US. I am still re-learning, but it has been a lot of fun.

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