TED:Defend our freedom to share (or why SOPA is a bad idea)
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That makes me feel old. I read it long before 1984.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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It's shit isn't it. I remember thinking how far in the future "Space 1999" was...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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It's shit isn't it. I remember thinking how far in the future "Space 1999" was...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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That makes me feel old. I read it long before 1984.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Remember this one too?[^] - I don't remember much about the movie, but I do remember being impressed by the effects.
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
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When did people start writing stories set in the future? Why is Shakespeare not split into Comedies, Tragedies, Histories, and Sci Fi?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
The first one that comes to mind is H.G.Wells' "The Time Machine". The second one that comes to mind is Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol". The third one that comes to mind is The Bible's "Revelations".
m.bergman
For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
I finished reading it on Sunday night
I read it back in 1984, curiously enough it was part of our curriculum that year ;)
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
I read it in 1970, as part of our curriculum, then spent the next 30 years happen in the US.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Remember this one too?[^] - I don't remember much about the movie, but I do remember being impressed by the effects.
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
Oh, I remember it well. I had a real crush on Persis Khambatta.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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Oh, I remember it well. I had a real crush on Persis Khambatta.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I had a real crush on Persis Khambatta
Good looking girl - and quite exotic in those days ;)
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
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Remember this one too?[^] - I don't remember much about the movie, but I do remember being impressed by the effects.
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
Espen Harlinn wrote:
If SOPA gets through, code-project could end up being shut down because a link such as this was posted on a forum. If a home video taken in someone's lounge room happened to catch the TV on in the corner, that is copyright violation according to this new bill, and a first time offender could end up in jail, and any website even linking to the content would be culpable. If SOPA gets through, code-project would be deemed responsible for ensuring that any user-posted content did not violate any form of copyright. It would cost a fortune to police, so they would have to shut down, or start charging us, - per post. I wouldn't have posted this message if I had to pay to do it. But of course, the US congress isn't trying to police the world, or censor the Internet with SOPA, nooooo, It's all about Pirates. Evil, murdering , swashbuckling, patch-over-one eye, peg-legged Internet pirates, threatening us all with their lethal you-tube videos. (Is the sarcasm coming through there?, hard to be sarcastic in print, and I don't see a sarcasm emoticon on the right)
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
If SOPA gets through, code-project could end up being shut down because a link such as this was posted on a forum. If a home video taken in someone's lounge room happened to catch the TV on in the corner, that is copyright violation according to this new bill, and a first time offender could end up in jail, and any website even linking to the content would be culpable. If SOPA gets through, code-project would be deemed responsible for ensuring that any user-posted content did not violate any form of copyright. It would cost a fortune to police, so they would have to shut down, or start charging us, - per post. I wouldn't have posted this message if I had to pay to do it. But of course, the US congress isn't trying to police the world, or censor the Internet with SOPA, nooooo, It's all about Pirates. Evil, murdering , swashbuckling, patch-over-one eye, peg-legged Internet pirates, threatening us all with their lethal you-tube videos. (Is the sarcasm coming through there?, hard to be sarcastic in print, and I don't see a sarcasm emoticon on the right)
Simon Bridge wrote:
Is the sarcasm coming through there?
Absolutely ;)
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
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From TED:Defend our freedom to share (or why SOPA is a bad idea)[^] Why am I thinking about George Orwell's 1984 when I hear about SOPA?
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
SOPA proposes to 'block' any site "taking, or has taken deliberate actions to avoid confirming a high probability of the use of the U.S.-directed site to carry out acts that constitute a violation." It may as well be Swahili to me, but experts in law read this to mean "that a site must actively monitor its content and identify violations to avoid blocking, rather than relying on others to notify it of such violations". How the U.S. congress proposes to create and enforce these 'blocks' I do not know. Well, we here are a community of programmers. The Internet is our domain, - who understands it better than those that helped create it? I don't necessarily agree with various plans to shut down government sites with massive, global D-DOS attacks, like those levelled at Master-card and some other corporations last year as a political protest. Instead, I think we should start working on methods to bypass these 'blocks', should they ever be put in place. Assuming a website is off-shore to the US, they have no authority to actually shut down a site, but they plan to prevent it being accessed. I think they forgot the basic reason the Internet was created: To survive a nuclear holocaust. There are so many possible paths from one point to another, that even global nuclear destruction cannot shut it down.
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When did people start writing stories set in the future? Why is Shakespeare not split into Comedies, Tragedies, Histories, and Sci Fi?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Ah but Shakespeare is Elizabethan reality TV. :-D
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SOPA proposes to 'block' any site "taking, or has taken deliberate actions to avoid confirming a high probability of the use of the U.S.-directed site to carry out acts that constitute a violation." It may as well be Swahili to me, but experts in law read this to mean "that a site must actively monitor its content and identify violations to avoid blocking, rather than relying on others to notify it of such violations". How the U.S. congress proposes to create and enforce these 'blocks' I do not know. Well, we here are a community of programmers. The Internet is our domain, - who understands it better than those that helped create it? I don't necessarily agree with various plans to shut down government sites with massive, global D-DOS attacks, like those levelled at Master-card and some other corporations last year as a political protest. Instead, I think we should start working on methods to bypass these 'blocks', should they ever be put in place. Assuming a website is off-shore to the US, they have no authority to actually shut down a site, but they plan to prevent it being accessed. I think they forgot the basic reason the Internet was created: To survive a nuclear holocaust. There are so many possible paths from one point to another, that even global nuclear destruction cannot shut it down.
Well sure, but still there's nothing stopping us from creating some other global computer network. It can even use all the same technology (TCPIP etc.) just not connected to The Internet.
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Well sure, but still there's nothing stopping us from creating some other global computer network. It can even use all the same technology (TCPIP etc.) just not connected to The Internet.
Excellent, Yes, the Outernet? Othernet? Oh, hangon. This already exists, I believe it's called AOL....
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Well sure, but still there's nothing stopping us from creating some other global computer network. It can even use all the same technology (TCPIP etc.) just not connected to The Internet.
Yeah, we could resurrect Fidonet! That would be uber-retro-kool.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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The first one that comes to mind is H.G.Wells' "The Time Machine". The second one that comes to mind is Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol". The third one that comes to mind is The Bible's "Revelations".
m.bergman
For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg
The difference being that the writers of The Time Machine and A Christmas Carol weren't clearly stoned out of their minds.
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
If SOPA gets through, code-project could end up being shut down because a link such as this was posted on a forum. If a home video taken in someone's lounge room happened to catch the TV on in the corner, that is copyright violation according to this new bill, and a first time offender could end up in jail, and any website even linking to the content would be culpable. If SOPA gets through, code-project would be deemed responsible for ensuring that any user-posted content did not violate any form of copyright. It would cost a fortune to police, so they would have to shut down, or start charging us, - per post. I wouldn't have posted this message if I had to pay to do it. But of course, the US congress isn't trying to police the world, or censor the Internet with SOPA, nooooo, It's all about Pirates. Evil, murdering , swashbuckling, patch-over-one eye, peg-legged Internet pirates, threatening us all with their lethal you-tube videos. (Is the sarcasm coming through there?, hard to be sarcastic in print, and I don't see a sarcasm emoticon on the right)
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Or CP could just relocate to a non-US country (and domain, I guess). It's a stupid bill for sure and I'm glad it got shelved for your sake, but it wouldn't be a global one (any more than the existing censoring laws in other countries are).
BobJanova wrote:
CP could just relocate to a non-US country
Errm, is this a good time to point out that CP is Canadian?
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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BobJanova wrote:
CP could just relocate to a non-US country
Errm, is this a good time to point out that CP is Canadian?
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
But surely Canada is part of the US, least that’s what a lot of US posters seem to think. ps don’t forget that a Canadian is also an American as they live on the continent of America pps and these new US laws do not restrict themselves to the US but mean that if you commit an act that is illegal in th US but legal in your own country then you can be arrested even if you have never even been to the US
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.