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    Samuel Cragg
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    I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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      I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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      Pete OHanlon
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      It's Wikipedia. Facts are an irrelevance.

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      • S Samuel Cragg

        I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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        Henry Minute
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        What the l are you on about?

        Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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          What the l are you on about?

          Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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          Samuel Cragg
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          Just ranting basically. Because Wikipedia didn't have the information I wanted I had to do my own research and found out that the internet is unreliable - full of people who make stuff up and other just copy, who knew ;P

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          • S Samuel Cragg

            I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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            Lost User
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            Of course not. Even journalists copy wikipedia.[^] But in all seriousness, does it really matter? So it gets the date and the exact spelling of the name slightly wrong .. not exactly the end of the world.

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            • S Samuel Cragg

              I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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              • S Samuel Cragg

                I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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                Nagy Vilmos
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                Are you sure? You provide no citation to support your theory.


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                  Just ranting basically. Because Wikipedia didn't have the information I wanted I had to do my own research and found out that the internet is unreliable - full of people who make stuff up and other just copy, who knew ;P

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                  RC_Sebastien_C
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                  Sam Cragg wrote:

                  full of people who make stuff up and other just copy, who knew ;-P

                  Not in the Lounge!?!? :omg:

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                    Of course not. Even journalists copy wikipedia.[^] But in all seriousness, does it really matter? So it gets the date and the exact spelling of the name slightly wrong .. not exactly the end of the world.

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                    ..I heard a misprint can kill people :-\

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                      ..I heard a misprint can kill people :-\

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                      BillWoodruff
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                      I heard a missed print can let killers escape. best, Bill

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                        Are you sure? You provide no citation to support your theory.


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                        Brisingr Aerowing
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                        LOL. Good One! :laugh:

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                        • S Samuel Cragg

                          I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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                          jschell
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                          Sam Cragg wrote:

                          Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

                          There are 7 billion people in the world. Google has 50+ billion indexed pages. That of course doesn't include other types of documentation of many varieties. I don't know about anyone else, but I have better things to do than chase down every point that I write. As long as it is generally correct that is sufficient.

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                            I'm writing about the history of connection plates and Wikipedia is rather sparse on the subject <edit>so I had to do my own research as I couldn't just copy from a Wikipedia article - I'm not bashing the reliability of Wikipedia</edit> Searching the internet I land on a page that gives credit to A. Carroll Sanford, who in 1952 patented it. There's quite a few websites that say the same (in fact, Google estimates there are 939 sites that has his name.) After a few searches for his patent I couldn't get anything. After about five minutes searching I do find patent 2827676, however, which was filing in 1954 by Arthur Carol Sanford. Do people (including companies) not fact check anymore, especially something as simple as a patent search?

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                            smcnulty2000
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                            What you did took more effort than they were willing to do. for the journalist; "deadline approaching, weekend approaching. Double-check it on a few sites, seems like everyone agrees, screw it, I'm going home..." Some of them don't know how to do a patent search. Some don't even know they should under those circumstances. They also would not have looked at the original drawings to make sure it was data entered correctly, nor would they know the difference between a filing and the grant of the patent date, which are years apart for this item. A professional historian probably would, but not a professional journalist.

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