Does Experts Exchange annoy anyone else?
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
I disagree. They offer a service at a charge, there's nothing wrong with that. I have a payed subscription to a news paper, I trust everything in the news paper is available elsewhere for free, so what? Just ignore what you dislike, there is enough free stuff around to waste your lifetime. :)
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
i blocked it from my Google results, years ago
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
MehGerbil wrote:
It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business.
Easy way to keep the robot race at the gates : charge for accounts.
MehGerbil wrote:
What would happen if everyone adopted this model
I don't think that would happen. There would always be people who post the information and experiences. However, if it did,...... that would .... crap, can't think of anything good. It would be terrible. I keep a lot of hard copy books/notes for reference. (Especially when switching between languages after adopting one for a while). However, that is just for if I happen to be offline. Whenever I can, google is faster.
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
You are just making the mistake of thinking that anything on this world is really free. Every service which is run by a business costs money and they do have their ways of getting it from you. It would be a truly stupid business model if not. You could consider it an invisible inofficial tax on everything you buy.
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To be fair, I think they come up a lot less than they used to. I remember a time several years back when almost every search would end up with "expert sex change" in the first two or three results. Perhaps it changed when they changed their domain name?
Wjousts wrote:
almost every search would end up with "expert sex change"
Are you trying to tell us something?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Just ask in the Q-A forums on CP and one of SA or OriginalG will answer you in minutes, and they'll even do the research for you :-)
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Why did you exclude yourself? I think it should be SA , OriginalG and you as well :)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It is a grotesque site filled with masturbating gimps 'Project Manager Types'.
Oy! Some of us PM's actually worked as code monkeys.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
But the lure of the dark side becomes too much eh?
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Why did you exclude yourself? I think it should be SA , OriginalG and you as well :)
Well I don't do that consistently enough and my work schedule does not give me the freedom to spend hours answering questions here. :-)
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
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Yeah, I noticed that too. So basically they want you to pay for the answer that is already there for you to see. And I've really found their answers all that useful anyway.
I've found that the answer monly works if the referring page is coming from Google.
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But the lure of the dark side becomes too much eh?
Sho does and the outfits are way snazzier than the frakin Jedi stuff. [Vilmos runs and hides before POH can find him]
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
Funny, I thought it didn't exist any more - I get virtually no links to that site anymore when doing a search. Perhaps because I switched to Bing :~
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Well I don't do that consistently enough and my work schedule does not give me the freedom to spend hours answering questions here. :-)
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
OK now I understand. Well I think once, not too long ago you were like them.
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
Gerbil - I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one.
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OK now I understand. Well I think once, not too long ago you were like them.
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
MehGerbil wrote:
What would happen if everyone adopted this model?
Then all programming-efforts would originate from 3-4 different forums, with the rest of the world asking "codez". I don't see the difference between someone taking free info from the net and selling his application, and someone who is taking free info from the net and selling that info. The world is filled with lazy people; we simply need to get rid of copyright-laws. That's merely a matter of time, like the burning of Carthago.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
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I'm not even sure I could be a programmer without the internet. The information that one can get with a simple search engine query is amazing. I'm thankful for all of the people who've helped me solve problems over the years - free of charge. Blogs, forums, and tech articles all contribute to this golden age of information. If you've ever tried to look up something in a card cataloge at a local library you know exactly what I'm talking about. *shudder* So I get annoyed to no end when I perform a query and Experts Exchange comes up. The question I'm asking is there and so is the answer but they want me to pay for it. Let me tell you what this means: All it means is I have to click on a different link because there is no way in hell I'm paying for the information. It's a free country. They've a right to create the site and charge for the information. People are free to come up with any whacky business plan they desire and it makes no difference to me if the owners get rich off it. However, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that many of the answers one gets from an "expert" are the result of the "expert" getting the answer by first opening a web browser and performing a search. I know this rant isn't entirely fair. It would take a great deal of work to create a website, manage members, and take care of all the details involved in running a business. That said, it just strikes me as shady - not criminal by any means - just something that isn't quite really offering a product. They've positioned themselves in a gray area as merchants for what is widely availabe for free. That's icky. And while I can ignore Experts Exchange - since every question I've ever had is handily answered elsewhere for free - the really dark question in the back of my mind is "What would happen if everyone adopted this model?" That's the part that grates me. Who looks at the free flow of information and happily converts our wonderful exchange of information to a subscription model? Who looks at the internet and even wants to monetize it like that? There is evil there! So yeah, as unfair as all of this is to the people over at Experts Exchange I'll be honest and admit that I believe their utter failure is a win for everyone else. That is one business model that I want to see go down in flames.
A while back you could just get to the answer by scrolling way down past the annoying bits. Not sure if that's still the case.
Wout
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MehGerbil wrote:
What would happen if everyone adopted this model?
Then all programming-efforts would originate from 3-4 different forums, with the rest of the world asking "codez". I don't see the difference between someone taking free info from the net and selling his application, and someone who is taking free info from the net and selling that info. The world is filled with lazy people; we simply need to get rid of copyright-laws. That's merely a matter of time, like the burning of Carthago.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The world is filled with lazy people; we simply need to get rid of copyright-laws. That's merely a matter of time, like the burning of Carthago.
The discussion isn't about copy-right laws, although I do wonder what you'd do to replace them. If you wrote a stirring crime novel how would you protect it? I could make an exact copy of your work, put my name on it, and sell it. Wouldn't that bother you?
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Wjousts wrote:
almost every search would end up with "expert sex change"
Are you trying to tell us something?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Yes. They changed their domain for "expertsexchange.com" to "experts-exchange.com".
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The world is filled with lazy people; we simply need to get rid of copyright-laws. That's merely a matter of time, like the burning of Carthago.
The discussion isn't about copy-right laws, although I do wonder what you'd do to replace them. If you wrote a stirring crime novel how would you protect it? I could make an exact copy of your work, put my name on it, and sell it. Wouldn't that bother you?
