Loss of Knowledge
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Five points for accuracy! VC is a tool, and MFC a library; neither is a language. Both are valuable things to know how to use, but neither is likely to be the technology of choice for future projects except, perhaps, to maintain and extend old apps.
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Which is what some of us (the unlucky ones) will do in some banks or insurance companies when we hit 50.
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Well, We are now all operating on a time bomb that is waiting to explode. Our Local university dropped VC/MFC from the curriculum, because 'It was no Longer 'A Relevant Language' They dispensed with it, failing to understand that all those V?? Languages, XLanguages, ultimately depend on C and CPP. Regard :laugh:
Bram van Kampen
That's just one more on the list. There must be a secret conspiracy against all things that require you to know how a processor actually works underneath all those layers of frameworks and operating systems. The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
I'm invincible, I can't be vinced
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Well, We are now all operating on a time bomb that is waiting to explode. Our Local university dropped VC/MFC from the curriculum, because 'It was no Longer 'A Relevant Language' They dispensed with it, failing to understand that all those V?? Languages, XLanguages, ultimately depend on C and CPP. Regard :laugh:
Bram van Kampen
As a side note, here in Italy 'academic
C++' is sometimes just 'Cwithcin&cout' (I mean nostdbutiostream). At least that is what I see in programming forums.If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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That's just one more on the list. There must be a secret conspiracy against all things that require you to know how a processor actually works underneath all those layers of frameworks and operating systems. The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
I'm invincible, I can't be vinced
CDP1802 wrote:
The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
If I wasn't tickled pink by the fact someone compared me to Kate Winslet, I'd have a new sig right now....
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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That's just one more on the list. There must be a secret conspiracy against all things that require you to know how a processor actually works underneath all those layers of frameworks and operating systems. The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
I'm invincible, I can't be vinced
CDP1802 wrote:
There must be a secret conspiracy against all things that require you to know how a processor actually works underneath all those layers of frameworks and operating systems. The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
Reading this, I begin to wish I really did have multiple personalities each with their own CP account, because the wit and eloquence in this rhapsodic fugue is sparkling, and I'm sure every one of my (hypothetical) personalities would vote it a five ! As a writer, I can only say I wish I had thought of this, since it would it would fit in so perfectly with a novel I am working on loosely based on my last full-time programming gig, for a company near Redmond, a software start-up which was really a mental-hospital in disguise (as so many are). :) best, Bill
"Science is facts; just as houses are made of stones: so, is science made of facts. But, a pile of stones is not a house, and a collection of facts is not, necessarily, science." Henri Poincare
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CDP1802 wrote:
The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
If I wasn't tickled pink by the fact someone compared me to Kate Winslet, I'd have a new sig right now....
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]+5 must be the time of the month for wit to shine !
"Science is facts; just as houses are made of stones: so, is science made of facts. But, a pile of stones is not a house, and a collection of facts is not, necessarily, science." Henri Poincare
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Well, We are now all operating on a time bomb that is waiting to explode. Our Local university dropped VC/MFC from the curriculum, because 'It was no Longer 'A Relevant Language' They dispensed with it, failing to understand that all those V?? Languages, XLanguages, ultimately depend on C and CPP. Regard :laugh:
Bram van Kampen
Bram, does this mean they are discontinuing teaching C and/or C++ itself ? Or only ditching the Microsoft flavor ? I wonder what their introductory language classes will use ? best, Bill
"Science is facts; just as houses are made of stones: so, is science made of facts. But, a pile of stones is not a house, and a collection of facts is not, necessarily, science." Henri Poincare
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I'm appalled, however it means more money for those of us who know it.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Well, We are now all operating on a time bomb that is waiting to explode. Our Local university dropped VC/MFC from the curriculum, because 'It was no Longer 'A Relevant Language' They dispensed with it, failing to understand that all those V?? Languages, XLanguages, ultimately depend on C and CPP. Regard :laugh:
Bram van Kampen
One of the most interesting parts of my degree was relating the chip architecture we covered to assembler and working out how the c++ we covered sits on top of this. Its is a sad reflection of the industry that the Chartered body that supports IT in the UK (the BCS[^]) mandates that all accredited degrees have a soft "Professional Issues" course and group project, but doesn't mandate that someone coming out of university with a Comp Sci degree knows (at least on a basic level) how code actually gets executed on hardware.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^] -
Well, We are now all operating on a time bomb that is waiting to explode. Our Local university dropped VC/MFC from the curriculum, because 'It was no Longer 'A Relevant Language' They dispensed with it, failing to understand that all those V?? Languages, XLanguages, ultimately depend on C and CPP. Regard :laugh:
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
Local university dropped VC/MFC from the curriculum, because 'It was no Longer 'A Relevant Language'
IMHO: MFC stopped being relevant years ago. If you are going to do c++ gui development on windows, have a look at C++ Builder[^] - you're usually able to do in days what would take months with MFC. Another option is to use C++/CLI and Windows Forms. MS hired[^] Anders Hejlsberg[^] with good reason.
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services My LinkedIn Profile
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That's just one more on the list. There must be a secret conspiracy against all things that require you to know how a processor actually works underneath all those layers of frameworks and operating systems. The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
I'm invincible, I can't be vinced
CDP1802 wrote:
They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves
:thumbsup: Spring ( need I say more? )
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services My LinkedIn Profile
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CDP1802 wrote:
There must be a secret conspiracy against all things that require you to know how a processor actually works underneath all those layers of frameworks and operating systems. The result will be more heroes like my Java cargo cult friends who practice all kinds of rituals because they have been told to do so. They have no idea what I mean when I tell them that they are supposed to be the wizards, not to believe in magic themselves.
Reading this, I begin to wish I really did have multiple personalities each with their own CP account, because the wit and eloquence in this rhapsodic fugue is sparkling, and I'm sure every one of my (hypothetical) personalities would vote it a five ! As a writer, I can only say I wish I had thought of this, since it would it would fit in so perfectly with a novel I am working on loosely based on my last full-time programming gig, for a company near Redmond, a software start-up which was really a mental-hospital in disguise (as so many are). :) best, Bill
"Science is facts; just as houses are made of stones: so, is science made of facts. But, a pile of stones is not a house, and a collection of facts is not, necessarily, science." Henri Poincare
BillWoodruff wrote:
a software start-up which was really a mental-hospital in disguise (as so many are).
:thumbsup: I find it really, really hard to not add a link to a company I hired out to a couple of years ago ... X|
Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services My LinkedIn Profile
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Well, We are now all operating on a time bomb that is waiting to explode. Our Local university dropped VC/MFC from the curriculum, because 'It was no Longer 'A Relevant Language' They dispensed with it, failing to understand that all those V?? Languages, XLanguages, ultimately depend on C and CPP. Regard :laugh:
Bram van Kampen
So.. compression, video/audio, encryption etc. all written in managed code now.. better release those 12-core terahz processors soon..
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Bram, does this mean they are discontinuing teaching C and/or C++ itself ? Or only ditching the Microsoft flavor ? I wonder what their introductory language classes will use ? best, Bill
"Science is facts; just as houses are made of stones: so, is science made of facts. But, a pile of stones is not a house, and a collection of facts is not, necessarily, science." Henri Poincare
BillWoodruff wrote:
I wonder what their introductory language classes will use ?
Java.
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Five points for accuracy! VC is a tool, and MFC a library; neither is a language. Both are valuable things to know how to use, but neither is likely to be the technology of choice for future projects except, perhaps, to maintain and extend old apps.
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
VC is a tool
Yeah, a tool, an editor and compiler/linkier short cut. MFC is more a framework in my mind, it just wraps the win api. And yes, they are old hat these days, but if one was going to leanr C/C++ I cant think of a more popular tool or framework out there.
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