Photography & Development
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Although I am not fond of photography, I believe this is far more enjoyable than computer program development since it's palpable. At the end of day, you have something to enjoy, share. With computer programs, there is almost no difference between a recently formatted hard drive, and an hard drive with 20 years of software accomplishement. So, I guess photography is sellable as an excuse. :cool: Paul Watson wrote: developmentitis development tits ? :confused: Can't figure out!
.S.Rod. wrote: With computer programs, there is almost no difference between a recently formatted hard drive, and an hard drive with 20 years of software accomplishement Soberingly true in most peoples cases :| .S.Rod. wrote: So, I guess photography is sellable as an excuse Ooooohhhh, I can feel the contempt dripping from that statement :-D You are a guru with programming though .S.Rod. and so probably do not have my need to find something to be truly good at. Who knows though :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
Being interested in photography for years, I can understand you. Photography isn't really one of my hobbies, I mostly take photos while traveling. But my wife has discovered photography as her favourite hobby. She took my equipment, bought some more stuff and is now taking pics all the time. I don't know, whether I have enough creativity to make good pictures like the ones I admire when looking at some other peoples' work (just like your pictures, Paul :)). But it doesn't matter, it makes fun and that's important. As for changing a hobby into a business, my wife would love to do so, but here in Germany, you can't run a business without being allowed to and having had some education regulated by law. This is the best comparison between these two topics I've heard so far, great! ;)
heinz r. vahlbruch
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Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: I admire when looking at some other peoples' work (just like your pictures, Paul ). :-O thanks Heinz. Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: But it doesn't matter, it makes fun and that's important So true. I do not ever want to get to the stage where I am so obsessed by perfection and technicalities that I loose the pleasure of just recording a scene onto film. I think it is like many things where there is a fine line between being serious and still having fun and being serious and not having fun. IMO if you are not having fun then stop and rethink the why and how. Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: I don't know, whether I have enough creativity As I replied to SimonS you do not have to be creative to enjoy photography, just like you do not have to be creative to enjoy development. There are plenty of technically amazing photographers without an ounce of creativity in them. They take good pictures and enjoy the process. Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: but here in Germany, you can't run a business without being allowed to and having had some education regulated by law. Wow I never knew that, quite harsh and it would never work here in SA. But then I guess what with Germany being one of the worlds top nations it must work for you :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
I know you are sick of my sudden photographic obsession, but have no fear this is not another "checkout this shot" post, promise :) I am no guru developer, being rather a jack of all trades and doing more management than development. But I do have enough developmentitis coursing through my veins to understand it. Like most engineering professions development has that magical mix of technical detail and creative freedom. To me the creative side is what gets me so excited about development but I realise one needs the technical know-how to accomplish the creative ideas. It reminds me a lot of what being an architect is about, creative license with technical necessity. And so it also is with photography. IMO photography is the perfect hobby for developers. Photography in one way is about seeing the extraordinary in the mundane, that is the creative side. The technical is knowing how to use your tool, the camera (body, lens, film, filters etc.) to then draw out onto film what you see. As a developer I grin with delight at all the settings and controls one has on a good camera. Aperture, shutter speed, focal length, focus and so on, all of which interplay to form a complex instance, an instance of view on the scene and subject you are shooting. Improving the results is a lot like debugging. You setup (programme) your camera according to what you think will best capture the scene in front of you. You then take the picture (run) and get back a result. You can then see from the result what needs improving, maybe something was out of focus (a run-time error) or you did not have the depth of field correct (a requirements/expectation problem) or a myriad of other variables which you can tweak till the result is what you want. Above all of this is the sheer gadget side of photography. Your camera is just a body on which you attach a plethora of devices. Lenses, filters, tripods, monopods, lens shades, speedlights, remote shutter release cords and the list goes on. The body itself has plenty of awesome technology which you just itch to figure out and try every setting. And don't forget the tricks. Oh yes, just like with development, there are many, many photographic tricks you can employ to render seemingly magical results. Now with digital going beyond just satisfying happy-snappers, photography is an even better idea for developers. You can merge photography and computer into one. One thing I have quickly learnt is the result is not always what came out on the film. Digital manipulation i
Have you ever try www.photosig.com ?? It's cool. Take a look at my photos (http://www1.photosig.com/userphotos.php?portfolioId=58010) and tell what you think....but remember: I'm a real newbie in photografy. bye - b0nu$ -
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I know you are sick of my sudden photographic obsession, but have no fear this is not another "checkout this shot" post, promise :) I am no guru developer, being rather a jack of all trades and doing more management than development. But I do have enough developmentitis coursing through my veins to understand it. Like most engineering professions development has that magical mix of technical detail and creative freedom. To me the creative side is what gets me so excited about development but I realise one needs the technical know-how to accomplish the creative ideas. It reminds me a lot of what being an architect is about, creative license with technical necessity. And so it also is with photography. IMO photography is the perfect hobby for developers. Photography in one way is about seeing the extraordinary in the mundane, that is the creative side. The technical is knowing how to use your tool, the camera (body, lens, film, filters etc.) to then draw out onto film what you see. As a developer I grin with delight at all the settings and controls one has on a good camera. Aperture, shutter speed, focal length, focus and so on, all of which interplay to form a complex instance, an instance of view on the scene and subject you are shooting. Improving the results is a lot like debugging. You setup (programme) your camera according to what you think will best capture the scene in front of you. You then take the picture (run) and get back a result. You can then see from the result what needs improving, maybe something was out of focus (a run-time error) or you did not have the depth of field correct (a requirements/expectation problem) or a myriad of other variables which you can tweak till the result is what you want. Above all of this is the sheer gadget side of photography. Your camera is just a body on which you attach a plethora of devices. Lenses, filters, tripods, monopods, lens shades, speedlights, remote shutter release cords and the list goes on. The body itself has plenty of awesome technology which you just itch to figure out and try every setting. And don't forget the tricks. Oh yes, just like with development, there are many, many photographic tricks you can employ to render seemingly magical results. Now with digital going beyond just satisfying happy-snappers, photography is an even better idea for developers. You can merge photography and computer into one. One thing I have quickly learnt is the result is not always what came out on the film. Digital manipulation i
Excellant analogy :-) regards Kannan
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Although I am not fond of photography, I believe this is far more enjoyable than computer program development since it's palpable. At the end of day, you have something to enjoy, share. With computer programs, there is almost no difference between a recently formatted hard drive, and an hard drive with 20 years of software accomplishement. So, I guess photography is sellable as an excuse. :cool: Paul Watson wrote: developmentitis development tits ? :confused: Can't figure out!
.S.Rod. wrote: development tits ? Can't figure out Forgot to answer this: Developmentitis, a disease all developers have... you have developers blood. Basically whenever you want to make up a disease name about a subject just take the subject name and add itis on the end. Like Mondayitis, or Fastfooditis. :rolleyes: Though development tits sounds, errr, intriguing.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
Have you ever try www.photosig.com ?? It's cool. Take a look at my photos (http://www1.photosig.com/userphotos.php?portfolioId=58010) and tell what you think....but remember: I'm a real newbie in photografy. bye - b0nu$ -
- Emanuele - wrote: Have you ever try www.photosig.com ?? Indeed I have! Paul on PhotoSIG.com So chuffed. I just passed 199 and can start posting 2 photos every three days now, yay! :-D - Emanuele - wrote: Take a look at my photos (http://www1.photosig.com/userphotos.php?portfolioId=58010) and tell what you think....but remember: I'm a real newbie in photografy. I will have a look and leave some critiques. Yet another CPian on PhotoSIG.com! Woohoo!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
.S.Rod. wrote: development tits ? Can't figure out Forgot to answer this: Developmentitis, a disease all developers have... you have developers blood. Basically whenever you want to make up a disease name about a subject just take the subject name and add itis on the end. Like Mondayitis, or Fastfooditis. :rolleyes: Though development tits sounds, errr, intriguing.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Forgot to answer this: Developmentitis, a disease all developers have... you have developers blood. If developers spend so much time in front of their commies, that's less because they like it (internet,...), or even are bored, than because they face third party components whose behaviour is uncontrollable and unknown, hence have to spend day and nights guessing stupid things that would be obvious if the source code was provided. With photography at least that's more science. You have all the stuff in your hands, and the entrance ticket price is low. ;)
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Excellant analogy :-) regards Kannan
Kannan Kalyanaraman wrote: Excellant analogy Thanks :) At least now when a girl asks what I do I can say "Computer stuff, but I also do photography" and 9/10 she will respond with "Ooooh, photography! Tell me more, can I see it, can you take a photo of me please?" ;) :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
Kannan Kalyanaraman wrote: Excellant analogy Thanks :) At least now when a girl asks what I do I can say "Computer stuff, but I also do photography" and 9/10 she will respond with "Ooooh, photography! Tell me more, can I see it, can you take a photo of me please?" ;) :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: "Ooooh, photography! Tell me more, can I see it, can you take a photo of me please?" Lucky you. Most girls I know hate having their photo taken, and are usually convinced that they look crappy in all of them anyway :| -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Paul Watson wrote: "Ooooh, photography! Tell me more, can I see it, can you take a photo of me please?" Lucky you. Most girls I know hate having their photo taken, and are usually convinced that they look crappy in all of them anyway :| -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: Lucky you. Most girls I know hate having their photo taken, and are usually convinced that they look crappy in all of them anyway Ok, I should have added a disclaimer: Girls you do not know love having their photo taken. Sisters, girlfriends and close "friends that art female" do not like having their photo taken by you, that is true. But strangers love it. On New Years at the beach with my camera out I was smothered by gangs of girls wanting their photo taken. Even just wandering around on a normal day with my camera out all I have to do is smile at a girl and ask her, by raising my camera, and the answer is almost always yes, followed by lots of questions about what I photograph... of course then I have to come clean that I am just a beginner, which has variable reception values. Carrying around a palm pilot or laptop just does not have the same reaction :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
I know you are sick of my sudden photographic obsession, but have no fear this is not another "checkout this shot" post, promise :) I am no guru developer, being rather a jack of all trades and doing more management than development. But I do have enough developmentitis coursing through my veins to understand it. Like most engineering professions development has that magical mix of technical detail and creative freedom. To me the creative side is what gets me so excited about development but I realise one needs the technical know-how to accomplish the creative ideas. It reminds me a lot of what being an architect is about, creative license with technical necessity. And so it also is with photography. IMO photography is the perfect hobby for developers. Photography in one way is about seeing the extraordinary in the mundane, that is the creative side. The technical is knowing how to use your tool, the camera (body, lens, film, filters etc.) to then draw out onto film what you see. As a developer I grin with delight at all the settings and controls one has on a good camera. Aperture, shutter speed, focal length, focus and so on, all of which interplay to form a complex instance, an instance of view on the scene and subject you are shooting. Improving the results is a lot like debugging. You setup (programme) your camera according to what you think will best capture the scene in front of you. You then take the picture (run) and get back a result. You can then see from the result what needs improving, maybe something was out of focus (a run-time error) or you did not have the depth of field correct (a requirements/expectation problem) or a myriad of other variables which you can tweak till the result is what you want. Above all of this is the sheer gadget side of photography. Your camera is just a body on which you attach a plethora of devices. Lenses, filters, tripods, monopods, lens shades, speedlights, remote shutter release cords and the list goes on. The body itself has plenty of awesome technology which you just itch to figure out and try every setting. And don't forget the tricks. Oh yes, just like with development, there are many, many photographic tricks you can employ to render seemingly magical results. Now with digital going beyond just satisfying happy-snappers, photography is an even better idea for developers. You can merge photography and computer into one. One thing I have quickly learnt is the result is not always what came out on the film. Digital manipulation i
Paul Watson wrote: ...photography is the perfect hobby for developers. Shamless pun intended??? Photography... Developers... get it? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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Paul Watson wrote: ...photography is the perfect hobby for developers. Shamless pun intended??? Photography... Developers... get it? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
Ray Cassick wrote: Photography... Developers... get it? LOL yes when I wrote that down I got it, but decided to leave it for the brighter amongst us. Well done Ray, you get a noddy badge... ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
- Emanuele - wrote: Have you ever try www.photosig.com ?? Indeed I have! Paul on PhotoSIG.com So chuffed. I just passed 199 and can start posting 2 photos every three days now, yay! :-D - Emanuele - wrote: Take a look at my photos (http://www1.photosig.com/userphotos.php?portfolioId=58010) and tell what you think....but remember: I'm a real newbie in photografy. I will have a look and leave some critiques. Yet another CPian on PhotoSIG.com! Woohoo!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaThat's a very cool site! Your photo's of Janina and the Lion are great :) Paul Watson wrote: I just passed 199 and can start posting 2 photos every three days now How does this work?
A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch
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That's a very cool site! Your photo's of Janina and the Lion are great :) Paul Watson wrote: I just passed 199 and can start posting 2 photos every three days now How does this work?
A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch
Megan Forbes wrote: How does this work? First off photoSIG is not like photo.net which lets you store hundreds of photos and then request critiques on a few. photoSIG is only about critiquing photos and so one should not be using it as a handy online photo store. To that end they restrict how many photos you can upload at a time. Each user has a points field. You can earn points by giving helpful critiques on other photos, by getting positive critique ratings on photos you post and by posting articles and getting positive ratings for it. These all add up to your total points value. Any user with a points value of 199 or below can only post 1 photo every three days. 200 points to 399 points and you can post 2 photos every three days. 400 and above and you can post 3 photos every three days. So you could post all three in one day but then you cannot post anymore until after three days have elapsed. The idea is to encourage careful thought as to what you post which then encourages better critiquing and it also prevents people just mass posting their entire gallery including their pet kittens and shots of their backsides onto the site.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
I know you are sick of my sudden photographic obsession, but have no fear this is not another "checkout this shot" post, promise :) I am no guru developer, being rather a jack of all trades and doing more management than development. But I do have enough developmentitis coursing through my veins to understand it. Like most engineering professions development has that magical mix of technical detail and creative freedom. To me the creative side is what gets me so excited about development but I realise one needs the technical know-how to accomplish the creative ideas. It reminds me a lot of what being an architect is about, creative license with technical necessity. And so it also is with photography. IMO photography is the perfect hobby for developers. Photography in one way is about seeing the extraordinary in the mundane, that is the creative side. The technical is knowing how to use your tool, the camera (body, lens, film, filters etc.) to then draw out onto film what you see. As a developer I grin with delight at all the settings and controls one has on a good camera. Aperture, shutter speed, focal length, focus and so on, all of which interplay to form a complex instance, an instance of view on the scene and subject you are shooting. Improving the results is a lot like debugging. You setup (programme) your camera according to what you think will best capture the scene in front of you. You then take the picture (run) and get back a result. You can then see from the result what needs improving, maybe something was out of focus (a run-time error) or you did not have the depth of field correct (a requirements/expectation problem) or a myriad of other variables which you can tweak till the result is what you want. Above all of this is the sheer gadget side of photography. Your camera is just a body on which you attach a plethora of devices. Lenses, filters, tripods, monopods, lens shades, speedlights, remote shutter release cords and the list goes on. The body itself has plenty of awesome technology which you just itch to figure out and try every setting. And don't forget the tricks. Oh yes, just like with development, there are many, many photographic tricks you can employ to render seemingly magical results. Now with digital going beyond just satisfying happy-snappers, photography is an even better idea for developers. You can merge photography and computer into one. One thing I have quickly learnt is the result is not always what came out on the film. Digital manipulation i