Death by Tea
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This afternoon I had a cup of black tea with no milk, and soon after it I was very ill. I don't want to go into great detail here, but I spent a lot of time in the bathroom with what I imagine childbirth feels like. Given that I have some sort of undiagnosed chronic illness, does anybody have any clues as to what could've happened?
Ravel wrote: "Well, I've been chronically ill for a long time (maybe 10 months?)" Dear Ravel, I cannot believe that in all your responses in this thread you do not once mention that you have sought medical care; please tell me you have, or, if you haven't ... well ... that's none of my business ... it's your life ... but if you haven't sought medical care, I want to give you my straight opinion that you need help and counselling about that. best, Bill
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I probably drink about 10 pints of black tea per day, and have done for about 30 years. The only deleterious effect is staining of my teeth. I have a pint mug, and use a proper teapot with tea leaves, not bags - much better quality. There was some research[^] stating that black tea could help prevent or ameliorate type 2 diabetes. As I have type 2 diabetes, I would probably be dead by now without my tea!
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Assuming a pint is 568ml, you have drunk 0.568*10*365*30/1000 = 62.196 tons of tea! I thought I was a big tea drinker. :)
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Ravel wrote: "Well, I've been chronically ill for a long time (maybe 10 months?)" Dear Ravel, I cannot believe that in all your responses in this thread you do not once mention that you have sought medical care; please tell me you have, or, if you haven't ... well ... that's none of my business ... it's your life ... but if you haven't sought medical care, I want to give you my straight opinion that you need help and counselling about that. best, Bill
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The first time I saw my doctor he prescribed me metronidazole, thinking it was giardiasis. It didn't help, but I'd hit a very busy and stressful part of my life and it took me far too long to see him again. I had a battery of blood and faecal tests done, and everything came back negative: no coeliac or inflammatory markers, no infections, no nothing. So, he recommended I have a colonoscopy done, but unfortunately I live in a rural area so the doctors who would do that are all heavily booked. I've been waiting a pretty long time for my appointment, which is actually less than a week away now, however my mum has led me to believe that even after I see him it may still be a few more months until I can have the procedure. :((
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Dalek Dave wrote:
My mother drinks her tea Black No Sugar.
An opportunity for a good upbringing which you should have taken advantage of.
Dalek Dave wrote:
It is like drinking battery acid.
I've been to England - (honestly) make your tea into 5h*t. Much to strong. To make up for it, you fill it full of additional crap to kill the taste (the most horrific being milk). To make it even drinkable it had to be mixed something like 1:2 with hot water. The steps to making good tea:
- Buy decent tea
- Boil water
- Add ca. 1/2 - 1 tsp/tea per 220ml water cup
- Wait until virtually all leaves to sink to bottom*
- It is now ready to drink**
Science Interlude: Further motivation not to turn tea into an abomination with cow-squeezings. Tea is amongst the riches sources of (natural) fluoride. Adding milk, however, allows it to form Calcium Fluoride (CaF2), a very stable and insoluble material. Fluoride is none to be good for preventing tooth decay as well as remineralizing tooth enamel. Proper drinking of tea would cause a noticeable improvement in dental health. So screw tradition. If you want a cuppa, make it something to be proud of - not to be hidden with milk and sugar! * This is called "brewing" ** ready means AS IS
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I've been to England
I've been to the US (central, mid-west and west), the coffee tastes like dishwater, and the tea is even worse. Can't you get your countrymen to follow your recipe?
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I've been to England
I've been to the US (central, mid-west and west), the coffee tastes like dishwater, and the tea is even worse. Can't you get your countrymen to follow your recipe?
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
Can't you get your countrymen to follow your recipe?
In a word, No. However, the coffee situation has greatly improved by the popularity of Starbucks - they roast the coffee darker and make it substantially stronger. The heartland, however, still drinks bilge-pumpings. As for tea? They generally drink the sweepings, packed into little paper bags. Depending upon their heritage, they will (or will not) ruin the tea with milk. The do not, however, attempt to make a tea-syrup in their cups.
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leppie wrote:
Tea has very good laxative properties (black forest IIRC)
This was beyond that. My insides still feel like they've been shredded. I was mainly wondering if anybody's had or has known anybody to have a chronic illness that's strongly affected by tea.
Did you drink chamomile or linden tea? You may have had an allergic reaction. Did you experience any other discomfort, e.g. swelling of the lips or tongue, runny nose or headache? /ravi
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Did you drink chamomile or linden tea? You may have had an allergic reaction. Did you experience any other discomfort, e.g. swelling of the lips or tongue, runny nose or headache? /ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Did you drink chamomile or linden tea?
Nah, it was a really boring English Breakfast tea.
Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
You may have had an allergic reaction. Did you experience any other discomfort, e.g. swelling of the lips or tongue, runny nose or headache?
It did occur to me that it may be an allergic reaction, but I didn't really experience anything else, except perhaps occasional flashes of nausea.
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This afternoon I had a cup of black tea with no milk, and soon after it I was very ill. I don't want to go into great detail here, but I spent a lot of time in the bathroom with what I imagine childbirth feels like. Given that I have some sort of undiagnosed chronic illness, does anybody have any clues as to what could've happened?
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
undiagnosed chronic illness
Ceylon Colon? Dargeling Feeling? Pekid Pekoe? :)
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I was dripping blood by the end of it. (God I wish I was kidding about that...)
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Did you drink chamomile or linden tea?
Nah, it was a really boring English Breakfast tea.
Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
You may have had an allergic reaction. Did you experience any other discomfort, e.g. swelling of the lips or tongue, runny nose or headache?
It did occur to me that it may be an allergic reaction, but I didn't really experience anything else, except perhaps occasional flashes of nausea.
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I was dripping blood by the end of it. (God I wish I was kidding about that...)
That sounds serious! It sounds to me like diverticulosis / diverticulitis, but I'm not a doctor. I suffer from that and have the symptoms you describe - totally unrelated to tea. I was advised to eat a high fiber diet and take Metamucil twice a day, which I've been doing for years. That pretty much controls it, most of the time. However, the doctor also told me if I had the symptoms you described and start with a fever or chills, get to an emergency room fast, bucause it indicated a perforated colon, which is deadly.
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The first time I saw my doctor he prescribed me metronidazole, thinking it was giardiasis. It didn't help, but I'd hit a very busy and stressful part of my life and it took me far too long to see him again. I had a battery of blood and faecal tests done, and everything came back negative: no coeliac or inflammatory markers, no infections, no nothing. So, he recommended I have a colonoscopy done, but unfortunately I live in a rural area so the doctors who would do that are all heavily booked. I've been waiting a pretty long time for my appointment, which is actually less than a week away now, however my mum has led me to believe that even after I see him it may still be a few more months until I can have the procedure. :((
Hi Ravel, I'm relieved to hear you are getting medical care, but, of course, disturbed at the delay you are encountering. I am lucky to be in a country (Thailand), in one of the largest cities, Chiang Mai, where I can get to see a top specialist, who probably is also a professor in the local medical school, probably western trained and board-certified, within one to two days at the public hospital for Thais (which has a special administrative unit for non-citizens). Of course I must pay a premium, as a non-citizen, but, even then, the cost of consultations and tests here would be often 25% of the costs in the US (and god help you there if you don't have health insurance). The public administrative unit I mentioned of the local public hospital for Thais that provides services to non-citizens has a package of a complete physical exam, including treadmill ECG, ultrasound internal organ scan, chest-xray, and around forty different bio-assays, etc., for a cost of around US $150. I sent the list of tests to a physician friend mine in Arizona, who told me that if I were not insurance covered, and wished to have the same series of tests in the hospital he now consults for, it would cost in excess of US $1200. He also told me that getting any of the typical HMO's in his area to even provide such a series of tests would (even if I were co-paying to some extent) be virtually impossible because the insurance company I'd likely have would do everything they could to find reasons to deny the tests. I constantly hear, from friends in the US, how frustrated they are at regular denials of procedures recommended by their doctors, by their insurance companies, and very long delays in even getting a referral by their primary physician to have an appointment to see a specialist, and then another long delay to see the specialist. My English friends tell me it is much the same with the public health service in England. I also have a great GP here, speaks perfect English, who I can see for around US $8 for a consultation, on almost any given day with a maximum two-hour wait. For reasons like these, "medical tourism" to Thailand, India, and other countries has become big business. And, many people come here for major dental services at less than 25-50% of the costs they would pay in the US, in very modern clinics with the latest equipment, and with western trained dentists, oral surgeons, orthodontists, etc. But, I'm not trying to suggest you fly to Thailand :) My very best wishes for your health to improv
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This afternoon I had a cup of black tea with no milk, and soon after it I was very ill. I don't want to go into great detail here, but I spent a lot of time in the bathroom with what I imagine childbirth feels like. Given that I have some sort of undiagnosed chronic illness, does anybody have any clues as to what could've happened?
Perhaps the tea was bad, rancid?
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This afternoon I had a cup of black tea with no milk, and soon after it I was very ill. I don't want to go into great detail here, but I spent a lot of time in the bathroom with what I imagine childbirth feels like. Given that I have some sort of undiagnosed chronic illness, does anybody have any clues as to what could've happened?
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This afternoon I had a cup of black tea with no milk, and soon after it I was very ill. I don't want to go into great detail here, but I spent a lot of time in the bathroom with what I imagine childbirth feels like. Given that I have some sort of undiagnosed chronic illness, does anybody have any clues as to what could've happened?
Doesn't seem that anyone here has suggested that the cup you drank from might have accidentally contaminated with some bacteria. Possibility? So is this the first time you've drunk tea? Is it the first time you've had a reaction like that from something you ate/drank?
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I was dripping blood by the end of it. (God I wish I was kidding about that...)
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Hospital Ravel, quick. That shouldnt happen.
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Meh. It's all good now.
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Meh. It's all good now.
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So what was the problem? It sounded nasty.
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I don't know what the problem is. I'm having a colonoscopy sometime in the next three months, to search for inflammation. The doctor will look as far as the terminal ileum, which is where Crohn's disease most likely presents. It's not necessarily Crohn's disease, but it's a horrible horrible possibility.
