'Low-level' vs 'High-level' Programming
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
Low-level wins because of its fundamental importance in cyberdildonics...
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
I consider myself to be a meta-level programmer. ;) And let's not even bring up "metro-level programming." Oops! Marc
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
Debate? I never knew such a debate existed. Seems obvious that each have their place. This is not the same as VB vs C# or OOP vs Functional. The later have their place and purposes (erm well lets not turn this into a language debate though). Personally I am 'able' to do both. I think many programmers are able to do both. I would find it hard to beleive that a programer would 'prefer' low level vs. high level as it is by definition not as human readable. If a programmer prefers low level over high, one can safely assume they are merely unfamiliar with many 'good' high level languages as the definition between low level and high level is clear and high level is to make the developers job easier. But when a system demands that extra kick one need to face facts and get into the lower levels to have more control.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Low-level wins because of its fundamental importance in cyberdildonics...
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011
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Timothy J Sygitowicz wrote:
the growing debate
That debate is about as old as "hardware vs. software" or"tabs vs. spaces" or "Microsoft vs. Apple" or "OOP vs. NOOP" or "Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate.. In every technical field I've worked so far, oppositions between two "schools" or "mindset" or whatever were to be seen. Everywhere. There is always someone who thinks that they do it better than others who themselves think they do it better than the former.
Rage wrote:
"Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate..
Actually, I understand you love for back - a need to be idolize - to know that at your wake all we ToFu eaters who have outlived you (and because our hearts and arteries are still clear) and maintain active sex lives will be there. So, I understand you, bacon-biter: being the last man left standing isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
This is like blonde vs. brunette debate – useless. We need them all and most of us one time or another have been in both.
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Rage wrote:
"Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate..
Actually, I understand you love for back - a need to be idolize - to know that at your wake all we ToFu eaters who have outlived you (and because our hearts and arteries are still clear) and maintain active sex lives will be there. So, I understand you, bacon-biter: being the last man left standing isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Sorry, but "T-word" eaters don't actually live longer. It just seems that way.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
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I consider myself to be a meta-level programmer. ;) And let's not even bring up "metro-level programming." Oops! Marc
My Blog
The Relationship Oriented Programming IDE
Melody's Amazon Herb SiteMarc Clifton wrote:
And let's not even bring up "metro-level programming." Oops!
Already got a jump on us eh? :)
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
Timothy J Sygitowicz wrote:
the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers
Which ran out of steam back in the early 1990's as I recall. Or was it all just a dream?
Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation - Len Goodman
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Perhaps... Or I guess it could also be called "internals" - Bwahhhh!
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011
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Sorry, but "T-word" eaters don't actually live longer. It just seems that way.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
OriginalGriff wrote:
Sorry, but "T-word" eaters don't actually live longer.
Mate if you had to eat that crap it would feel like you lived longer!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Rage wrote:
"Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate..
Actually, I understand you love for back - a need to be idolize - to know that at your wake all we ToFu eaters who have outlived you (and because our hearts and arteries are still clear) and maintain active sex lives will be there. So, I understand you, bacon-biter: being the last man left standing isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
who have outlived you
Seriously ? Maybe, but what a dull life. I am either the James Dean type of life philosophy, so eating non tasty food for the sake of my health is definitely a no go.
I know people (my wife, in fact) who didn't like coffee because the coffee her mother made tasted bad. She now makes continuous use of her Starbucks card. Similarly, I've had vegeburgers - and most taste crappy, including the well-touted Boca-Burgers. On the other hand, Monringstar Farms stuff is amazing (they even make meatless bacon (you may shudder)). Tofurkey's sausage would shame most peperoni by every standard except being greasy. And finally, I come to ToFu. An unasked for primer: It comes in a very large variety of textures from silken to firm, and even a type called 'dried' or 'pressed'. My western pallet finds the soft and silken version unpleasant textures. On the other end, however, the pressed ToFu is as solid as Edam cheese. The taste? Well, actually, none. It's all on what you do with it. Which, by-and-large, depends upon the sauce. If you think about flour, it doesn't taste like much, but think of all the baked goods one can make from it.
Rage wrote:
non tasty food
Only because your cook either (1) sucked at cooking it, or (2) has vastly different taste then you. I've seen Chinese friends with a bowl of soup with hunks of (soft) Tofu in it. They think it great - I "fail to see the charm". My father, a life-long carnivore, usually grabs seconds when I make the Tofu dishes. NOt an uncommon preposition. If you've eaten it at the hands of people you've visited or a lot of vegetarian/vegan restaurants, you might find the same disappointment I usually experience. My stuff requires chewing. I almost invariably brown TofU before mixing it in with stuff - or even deep fry it. But, to be fair, how tasty is a hunk of raw meat? In CP terms, Buggy code doesn't mean computers suck - just the programmer who created it. As a total aside - I don't do this for health - it's all ethical. You'd have to eat pretty badly to notice any health improvement by switching to vegetarian. You know - like wrapping a stick of butter in bacon as a light snack. Like my wife and coffee, you've been left with a bad taste in your mouth. You perception, based upon experience may be correct, but like the bad-code, it may be common but it's not representative of an easily reached potential.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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