Another Stab at the Heart of the 1st Amendment
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We mean well, and for a lot of us, the reality may be bullshit (and we know it, otherwise we wouldn't be complaining about it), but the desire is pure. I, for one, want the US to be what the framers envisioned. I don't know why you and others not from these parts don't want to recognize that.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I don't acknowledge the purity of your desire? You can't post Alex Jones stuff and not except to be poked fun of on an international forum. I think my 'ammo for antibiotics ' idea had merrit Just out of interest, have you travelled outside the us other than as part of the military?
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When you show up at my front door, bring a gun for everyone that's with you, ammunition, food, and a Pocket Constitution. The last thing is the most important because without it, you'll just end up perforated. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I may not be armed (with 'guns'), but I will bring something such as a map to the twinky farms ;P Then again, I may just memorize said map to avoid my obsolesence. And I say 'guns' because I am a crafty fella that knows how to make his own artillery. Remember that guerilla warfare often prevails any standing army. And they often do not use traditional 'guns' and weaponry :)
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Actually, it's not the Constitution that's failed us, it's that WE have failed to stop it from being subverted. The problem isn't limited to the current generation, either, but goes all the way back to the First Congress. Unfortunately, when men are placed in positions of power over other men, they are corrupted by that power, and seek out more of it. Many times, this quest for power succeeds at the cost of indiviual freedom. Even if we were to "reboot" the country, the same thing would eventually happen all over again. People are great at pointing and laughing, but nobody has even thought to attempt to come up with a way to stop the problem once and for all, and that includes you. No form of government yet devised has resulted in the utopia we all want to see. So how would you approach it?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Kibbutzim came pretty close. Not my cup of tea, I have to say, but they did work. Perhaps a technocratic government? Might be worth a try.
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Looks like a reasonable restricted use restriction to me. Probably one that is just clarifying existing policy. If someone thinks differently then I suggest that they try to break into a nuclear silo to protest this law or to jump the fence at the white house to do the same thing. Moreover it is probably redundant since significant national events are probably almost always already covered under use restrictions (perhaps even numerous ones.) "Although such protection isn’t extended to just everybody, making it a federal offense to even accidently disrupt an event attended by a person with such status essentially crushes whatever currently remains of the right to assemble and peacefully protest." I just love that statement from the link...how exactly does someone "accidently" protest something? " ...engaging in disorderly conduct “within such proximity to” the event or acting violent to anyone, anywhere near the premises. Under that verbiage, that means a peaceful protest outside a candidate’s concession speech would be a federal offense…" Too funny..so a "peaceful" protest includes "disorderly conduct" and even violence? "...where those identified as subversive to our government can be re-educated." Obviously the author has a reasoned and is well informed about the US government and its conspiracies. I wonder if the author also has some pictures from inside Area 51?
You do realize that disorderly conduct can be charged for simply being somewhere right? That is why it is possible to "accidentaly" protest. I have seen this happen in non political cases. Madison has an awesome Halloween event on state street. However, of course not all people participate in said event. But in some cases groups of people got "out of hand" (by police definition) and they began to tear gas them and arrest using "Disorderly Conduct" as the reasoning. With that, there were even law abiding citizens that were NOT participating in said event. Merely passing by, but ended up being tear gassed, cuffed, and then jailed for THE ENTIRE WEEKEND. So that explains how it can "accidently" happen. Now as for Disorderly Conduct, well said places are off-limits for even "peaceful" protests, which would get an individual arrested for having an Anti-<NAME YOUR FLAME> sign at such a location. This means that they (executive branch) can now travel around with out having to deal with the petty people bickering about things, cause they just paint an area around where they will be and say "Off Limits- Felony if you trespass". Yes, you can find a reason to 'justify' why they have done it. Just as people try to justify water-boarding.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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killabyte wrote:
It is a pretty sad state of affairs really, once upon a time the whole world marvelled at the freedoms and opportunities that the American system brought...
Ain't it the truth...such a shame that no one can now build a financial empire using the same tactics that the Rockefellers and others used.
killabyte wrote:
Hopefully the dark age of American fascism comes to a conclusion soon before WW3 is started with Iran under orders from the Zionists in Israel
Err...you are aware that there have been some amazing medical advances in terms of mental disorders since the last time you were evaluated ?
jschell wrote:
Err...you are aware that there have been some amazing medical advances in terms of mental disorders since the last time you were evaluated ?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I have to be more careful about when I take a drink while reading this forum.
If it moves, compile it
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You do realize that disorderly conduct can be charged for simply being somewhere right? That is why it is possible to "accidentaly" protest. I have seen this happen in non political cases. Madison has an awesome Halloween event on state street. However, of course not all people participate in said event. But in some cases groups of people got "out of hand" (by police definition) and they began to tear gas them and arrest using "Disorderly Conduct" as the reasoning. With that, there were even law abiding citizens that were NOT participating in said event. Merely passing by, but ended up being tear gassed, cuffed, and then jailed for THE ENTIRE WEEKEND. So that explains how it can "accidently" happen. Now as for Disorderly Conduct, well said places are off-limits for even "peaceful" protests, which would get an individual arrested for having an Anti-<NAME YOUR FLAME> sign at such a location. This means that they (executive branch) can now travel around with out having to deal with the petty people bickering about things, cause they just paint an area around where they will be and say "Off Limits- Felony if you trespass". Yes, you can find a reason to 'justify' why they have done it. Just as people try to justify water-boarding.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Madison has had an awesome Halloween event on state street.
FTFY. Sadly in recent years they have been selling tickets and limiting entry/exit points. A lot of the local businesses are not happy because the numbers are not as large as they used to be. Sure there is no longer damage to property, but that was all sent to the insurance company. It was small change compared to the loss of revenue on that single night.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Madison has had an awesome Halloween event on state street.
FTFY. Sadly in recent years they have been selling tickets and limiting entry/exit points. A lot of the local businesses are not happy because the numbers are not as large as they used to be. Sure there is no longer damage to property, but that was all sent to the insurance company. It was small change compared to the loss of revenue on that single night.
Thats a shame. I guess it has been a while since I have been back there. It sure was something in its day though :-D I remember when they first began using Spotlights. The police thought they would "scare" people to go home after bar close. So there we all were bars all closing and many of us didn't care. We already had enough to drink and were wandering up and down state street in our costumes and playing our 'roles'. Then suddenly "BAM" Lights lit up state street so bright it was like noon hour. We then realized there were police on every building, but what did we care... We could now see from the Library mall to the capital! And what did we see? Atleast 100,000 people elbow to elbow all in costumes wandering and celbrating our drunkeness. This went on for almost 2 hours. Then the calvary came out:mad: with their bobby police outfits and pooping all over. Blocked off the street and told us all to go home. Eh, they were right time to move on. Looked at me phone and it was 4am and (I could barely even read it). Onward! We yelled, for there shall be parties somewhere around the corner!
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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killabyte wrote:
It is a pretty sad state of affairs really, once upon a time the whole world marvelled at the freedoms and opportunities that the American system brought...
Ain't it the truth...such a shame that no one can now build a financial empire using the same tactics that the Rockefellers and others used.
killabyte wrote:
Hopefully the dark age of American fascism comes to a conclusion soon before WW3 is started with Iran under orders from the Zionists in Israel
Err...you are aware that there have been some amazing medical advances in terms of mental disorders since the last time you were evaluated ?
jschell wrote:
Err...you are aware that there have been some amazing medical advances in terms of mental disorders since the last time you were evaluated ?
that is a pathetic retrot. If corporate lobby groups draft all the laws that get through congress it is called fascism son. I would also like to cite this article as proof of Zionist influence http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/01/israeli-pm-demands-obama-military-action-iran?newsfeed=true[^]
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Time to exercise the 2nd Amendment rights? "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." was written with this in mind! Some line about "Deterring Tyrannical Government" springs to mind.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." was written with this in mind!
Uh... no, it wasn't. It was written to enable those who were loyal to the newly formed United States to put down insurgent Torys. Article 1, Section 8: Powers of Congress ...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
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You do realize that disorderly conduct can be charged for simply being somewhere right? That is why it is possible to "accidentaly" protest. I have seen this happen in non political cases. Madison has an awesome Halloween event on state street. However, of course not all people participate in said event. But in some cases groups of people got "out of hand" (by police definition) and they began to tear gas them and arrest using "Disorderly Conduct" as the reasoning. With that, there were even law abiding citizens that were NOT participating in said event. Merely passing by, but ended up being tear gassed, cuffed, and then jailed for THE ENTIRE WEEKEND. So that explains how it can "accidently" happen. Now as for Disorderly Conduct, well said places are off-limits for even "peaceful" protests, which would get an individual arrested for having an Anti-<NAME YOUR FLAME> sign at such a location. This means that they (executive branch) can now travel around with out having to deal with the petty people bickering about things, cause they just paint an area around where they will be and say "Off Limits- Felony if you trespass". Yes, you can find a reason to 'justify' why they have done it. Just as people try to justify water-boarding.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
You do realize that disorderly conduct can be charged for simply being somewhere right?
I also realize that some police officers plant evidence and lie. That however in the general case is no more relevant than your statement.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
That is why it is possible to "accidentaly" protest. I have seen this happen in non political cases.
And it possible to "accidentally" destroy property and "accidentally" kill others as well. And people get prosecuted for those too.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
With that, there were even law abiding citizens that were NOT participating in said event. Merely passing by, but ended up being tear gassed, cuffed, and then jailed for THE ENTIRE WEEKEND.
The aliens from alpha centauri promised me personally that they would land in 2015 and after that all legal systems would be perfect. But until then we will have to be satisfied with imperfect legal systems since humans are imperfect.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
This means that they (executive branch) can now travel around with out having to deal with the petty people bickering about things, cause they just paint an area around where they will be and say "Off Limits- Felony if you trespass".
You must be aware of different political events tha the ones I know about because almost all such events are in areas which already have use restrictions in place. And protesters in such locations are already often excused from such enforcement simply because those doing the enforcement choose not to enforce the existing restrictions until something gets completely out of hand.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Yes, you can find a reason to 'justify' why they have done it. Just as people try to justify water-boarding.
Actually more to the point I understand there is no such thing and never has been such a thing as an unrestricted freedom of any sort in the US. I also understand exactly how the legal system usually treats real protests which are conducted in a reasonable manner (thus respecting other rights) and also how protesters now specifically attempt to force legal action by trampling on other rights solely to gain media attention. And I am rather certain that the constitution s
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jschell wrote:
Err...you are aware that there have been some amazing medical advances in terms of mental disorders since the last time you were evaluated ?
that is a pathetic retrot. If corporate lobby groups draft all the laws that get through congress it is called fascism son. I would also like to cite this article as proof of Zionist influence http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/01/israeli-pm-demands-obama-military-action-iran?newsfeed=true[^]
killabyte wrote:
If corporate lobby groups draft all the laws that get through congress it is called fascism son.
If all the conspiracies and theories claimed by every nut job were true the universe would fracture due to contradictions in the basic laws of reality.
killabyte wrote:
I would also like to cite this article as proof of Zionist influence
Once you are on those new meds you might want to actually read some books that explain how diplomacy works.
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killabyte wrote:
If corporate lobby groups draft all the laws that get through congress it is called fascism son.
If all the conspiracies and theories claimed by every nut job were true the universe would fracture due to contradictions in the basic laws of reality.
killabyte wrote:
I would also like to cite this article as proof of Zionist influence
Once you are on those new meds you might want to actually read some books that explain how diplomacy works.
jschell wrote:
Once you are on those new meds you might want to actually read some books that explain how diplomacy works.
thats when i bomb your family and take your stuff right? your knowledge of the political system that governs you is tragically lacking, but apathy & ignorance seem to be corner stones of the american psyche
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
You do realize that disorderly conduct can be charged for simply being somewhere right?
I also realize that some police officers plant evidence and lie. That however in the general case is no more relevant than your statement.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
That is why it is possible to "accidentaly" protest. I have seen this happen in non political cases.
And it possible to "accidentally" destroy property and "accidentally" kill others as well. And people get prosecuted for those too.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
With that, there were even law abiding citizens that were NOT participating in said event. Merely passing by, but ended up being tear gassed, cuffed, and then jailed for THE ENTIRE WEEKEND.
The aliens from alpha centauri promised me personally that they would land in 2015 and after that all legal systems would be perfect. But until then we will have to be satisfied with imperfect legal systems since humans are imperfect.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
This means that they (executive branch) can now travel around with out having to deal with the petty people bickering about things, cause they just paint an area around where they will be and say "Off Limits- Felony if you trespass".
You must be aware of different political events tha the ones I know about because almost all such events are in areas which already have use restrictions in place. And protesters in such locations are already often excused from such enforcement simply because those doing the enforcement choose not to enforce the existing restrictions until something gets completely out of hand.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Yes, you can find a reason to 'justify' why they have done it. Just as people try to justify water-boarding.
Actually more to the point I understand there is no such thing and never has been such a thing as an unrestricted freedom of any sort in the US. I also understand exactly how the legal system usually treats real protests which are conducted in a reasonable manner (thus respecting other rights) and also how protesters now specifically attempt to force legal action by trampling on other rights solely to gain media attention. And I am rather certain that the constitution s
jschell wrote:
I also realize that some police officers plant evidence and lie. That however in the general case is no more relevant than your statement.
The difference there is that the officer is clearly breaking the law and can be prosecuted as such. An example of the system still working. Granted they may not get caught, but the line is clear... They broke the law and it should be a law as their is no "right" provided to the officer that grants him that power freely.
jschell wrote:
And it possible to "accidentally" destroy property and "accidentally" kill others as well. And people get prosecuted for those too.
You are correct. And considering when such an act is done they have inflicted on others rights (simply to live and of course to have secured property), they are prosecuted. However, since freedom of speech is granted in the 1st Ammendment "accidently" "saying" (if you will) something should by no definition be a crime.
jschell wrote:
The aliens from alpha centauri promised me personally that they would land in 2015 and after that all legal systems would be perfect. But until then we will have to be satisfied with imperfect legal systems since humans are imperfect.
Our system is designed to be corrected, not made worse. Your sarcasm here says nothing about the matter other than your maturity level. If you really believe when a system is wrong that is fine because hey were human let it be, please leave our country. There is no room here for the apathetic anymore, for we learned from past incidents that apathy itself can be a crime when powers commit evil (detention centers, genicide etc.)
jschell wrote:
You must be aware of different political events tha the ones I know about because almost all such events are in areas which already have use restrictions in place. And protesters in such locations are already often excused from such enforcement simply because those doing the enforcement choose not to enforce the existing restrictions until something gets completely out of hand.
You must be aware that such laws were put in place during the Clinton admin and 'maybe' with 'good' intentions. Then as Bush Jr. took office such laws became more enforced because of his actions and public hate. It
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jschell wrote:
I also realize that some police officers plant evidence and lie. That however in the general case is no more relevant than your statement.
The difference there is that the officer is clearly breaking the law and can be prosecuted as such. An example of the system still working. Granted they may not get caught, but the line is clear... They broke the law and it should be a law as their is no "right" provided to the officer that grants him that power freely.
jschell wrote:
And it possible to "accidentally" destroy property and "accidentally" kill others as well. And people get prosecuted for those too.
You are correct. And considering when such an act is done they have inflicted on others rights (simply to live and of course to have secured property), they are prosecuted. However, since freedom of speech is granted in the 1st Ammendment "accidently" "saying" (if you will) something should by no definition be a crime.
jschell wrote:
The aliens from alpha centauri promised me personally that they would land in 2015 and after that all legal systems would be perfect. But until then we will have to be satisfied with imperfect legal systems since humans are imperfect.
Our system is designed to be corrected, not made worse. Your sarcasm here says nothing about the matter other than your maturity level. If you really believe when a system is wrong that is fine because hey were human let it be, please leave our country. There is no room here for the apathetic anymore, for we learned from past incidents that apathy itself can be a crime when powers commit evil (detention centers, genicide etc.)
jschell wrote:
You must be aware of different political events tha the ones I know about because almost all such events are in areas which already have use restrictions in place. And protesters in such locations are already often excused from such enforcement simply because those doing the enforcement choose not to enforce the existing restrictions until something gets completely out of hand.
You must be aware that such laws were put in place during the Clinton admin and 'maybe' with 'good' intentions. Then as Bush Jr. took office such laws became more enforced because of his actions and public hate. It
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
You are correct. And considering when such an act is done they have inflicted on others rights (simply to live and of course to have secured property), they are prosecuted. However, since freedom of speech is granted in the 1st Ammendment "accidently" "saying" (if you will) something should by no definition be a crime.
Wrong. Order has nothing to do with with it. And no right in unrestricted including free speech.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Our system is designed to be corrected, not made worse.
Your definition not mine. There are a multitude of laws now that didn't exist in the past. And I am certain that for every law there is at least one person that considers it "worse" with it.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Your sarcasm here says nothing about the matter other than your maturity level
Yes, because I recognize the system is not and never will be perfect.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
There is no room here for the apathetic anymore, for we learned from past incidents that apathy itself can be a crime when powers commit evil (detention centers, genicide etc.)
Complete and utter nonsense. I suggest that you read some history. The 'rights' of US citizens to comment on material and the ways in which they can legally do so includes a vast number of options that did not exist in the past. That certainly includes just 50 years ago and probably includes even 30 years ago.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
You must be aware that such laws were put in place during the Clinton admin and 'maybe' with 'good' intentions.
Sigh...wrong. There have ALWAYS been restrictions on free speech. There have ALWAYS been conflicts between different rights.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
HOWEVER, when the areas are purely for political reasons and they charge an offender with a felony that is unconstitutional. The reason being is the people have been surpressed for the pure reason of speech.
Wrong. Same bad reasoning that many protesters use in federal court in probably the last 10 years or longer. The fact that you are "protesting" does NOT give you the right to break other laws. Period.
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jschell wrote:
Once you are on those new meds you might want to actually read some books that explain how diplomacy works.
thats when i bomb your family and take your stuff right? your knowledge of the political system that governs you is tragically lacking, but apathy & ignorance seem to be corner stones of the american psyche
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killabyte wrote:
your knowledge of the political system that governs you is tragically lacking, but apathy & ignorance seem to be corner stones of the american psyche
I will let your comments themselves speak to your "knowledge".
