Ubuntu
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I am not a Linux user but I had a play with Ubuntu a few years back and was impressed with it. I liked its software update thing too. Its good. I dont know why the world is still Windows obsessed. It really is dumb.
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Because all of the apps are already compiled. End-users are generally NOT propeller heads like we are, and they just want stuff to work after being installed. Interoperability is another aspect. More or less, the world runs on Windows, and IT departments don't want aren't budgeted to devote money or time to support mixed platform networks. Whether the difficulties are real or imagined, that's the way things are.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Mono has come a long way in a very short time. If you havent gotten the most recent updates, you might try it again. That said, I think VS is the superior IDE for it. And I agree that mono probably can't replace it completely.
If it moves, compile it
Mono still doesn't do WPF. That, IMHO, is a major drawback.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
Every version gets better and better. The thing I like the most is it just works!
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I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
WTF? that seems impossible. unless all your devices are made by HP and every driver is 250MB, requires 3 restarts and fifteen "Next" clicks to install.
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Because all of the apps are already compiled. End-users are generally NOT propeller heads like we are, and they just want stuff to work after being installed. Interoperability is another aspect. More or less, the world runs on Windows, and IT departments don't want aren't budgeted to devote money or time to support mixed platform networks. Whether the difficulties are real or imagined, that's the way things are.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Because all of the apps are already compiled.
Ubuntu is a binary distro. The software center also fetches them very easily for you. If you are looking for pre-compiled apps that "just work" then Ubuntu tends to make it easier in my experience. Other people that I have "converted" tend to agree. There is also codeweavers, which is pretty much automated wine. This runs windows software pretty well, including games. Though the games department is lacking quite a bit. Crossover does cost some money, but it's worth it if you don't want to configure wine.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
More or less, the world runs on Windows
End users do, yeah.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and IT departments don't want aren't budgeted to devote money or time to support mixed platform networks.
I agree with this. They just don't want to, and many people don't understand linux. A good many people are intimidated by it, so never even attempt to understand it. My brother was going into windows admin, while I was taking linux classes. There were a great many more windows classes to match the 4 linux classes.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Whether the difficulties are real or imagined, that's the way things are.
Agreed.
If it moves, compile it
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Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
WTF? that seems impossible. unless all your devices are made by HP and every driver is 250MB, requires 3 restarts and fifteen "Next" clicks to install.
Chris Losinger wrote:
WTF? WTE?
That's the new term here. I think you don't visit CP too often. :-)
Chris Losinger wrote:
that seems impossible.
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc. Compare it with Ubuntu, all I did was just install Ubuntu and it worked. No apps, no utilities, no drivers, absolutely nothing. Everything was packed within 695 MB .iso image. :-)
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Every version gets better and better. The thing I like the most is it just works!
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Chris Losinger wrote:
WTF? WTE?
That's the new term here. I think you don't visit CP too often. :-)
Chris Losinger wrote:
that seems impossible.
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc. Compare it with Ubuntu, all I did was just install Ubuntu and it worked. No apps, no utilities, no drivers, absolutely nothing. Everything was packed within 695 MB .iso image. :-)
Shameel wrote:
I think you don't visit CP too often.
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
is that a clean install, or an upgrade?
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Mike Hankey wrote:
The thing I like the most is it
just works!And for us (the Windows guys), it's pure magic :-)
Because ww have to work for everything in windows and when we come across something that just works it does seem like magic comparatively.
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Shameel wrote:
I think you don't visit CP too often.
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
is that a clean install, or an upgrade?
Chris Losinger wrote:
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
11 years. BTW, Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame, has coined the euphemism 'elephant' - as in to elephant someone or elephant off - and this has become the de rigueur term since. Similar the word sunshine is used for a lady part not to e mentioned.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Chris Losinger wrote:
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
11 years. BTW, Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame, has coined the euphemism 'elephant' - as in to elephant someone or elephant off - and this has become the de rigueur term since. Similar the word sunshine is used for a lady part not to e mentioned.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame
and hence one of the night shift crew. i don't follow what those people do.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
and this has become the de rigueur term since.
no thanks. WTF works fine for me.
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Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
WTF? that seems impossible. unless all your devices are made by HP and every driver is 250MB, requires 3 restarts and fifteen "Next" clicks to install.
Believe it or not, I have much the same issue. It's not as easy if you aren't into windows. Plus, if you want to consider the software you need that is either pre-packaged or crazy fast to get then windows takes a whole lot longer to install.
If it moves, compile it
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Shameel wrote:
I think you don't visit CP too often.
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
is that a clean install, or an upgrade?
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crazy. IIRC, it took about 45 minutes, last time I did it. and as long as the hardware is reasonably standard, Windows will already have a driver ready to use.
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I am not a Linux user but I had a play with Ubuntu a few years back and was impressed with it. I liked its software update thing too. Its good. I dont know why the world is still Windows obsessed. It really is dumb.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
I dont know why the world is still Windows obsessed. It really is dumb.
Actually, it's quite easy to understand. Support, applications, and comfort. You go with what works. Users are still idiots. Sit someone down in from of Word and they're comfortable with it. Sit them down in front of any other Word-equivilent and they'll be completely lost. Most users hate change. Hell, just upgrading from Word 2003 to 2007 will throw users into a tizzy.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
Huh?! What did you do to screw it up?? I've NEVER had an O/S installation go that long. Well, not since the Novell NetWare 2.11 days. My Win 7 install was done in about 12 minutes the last time I ran through it.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Chris Losinger wrote:
WTF? WTE?
That's the new term here. I think you don't visit CP too often. :-)
Chris Losinger wrote:
that seems impossible.
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc. Compare it with Ubuntu, all I did was just install Ubuntu and it worked. No apps, no utilities, no drivers, absolutely nothing. Everything was packed within 695 MB .iso image. :-)
Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
Yeah?? The drivers are out of the box and Windows has them too and they just work. Compare apples to apples please. Oh, I'll give you the Office install. That thing is a monster... If you're going to go download the latest vendor-packaged drivers for Windows, do it for Ubuntu too. The out-of-the-box drivers that Microsoft uses are not written by Microsoft. They're written by the hardwar vendors and are the same drivers you get from the vendor site, just without all the pretty packaging.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Chris Losinger wrote:
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
11 years. BTW, Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame, has coined the euphemism 'elephant' - as in to elephant someone or elephant off - and this has become the de rigueur term since. Similar the word sunshine is used for a lady part not to e mentioned.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
BTW, Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame, has coined the euphemism 'elephant' - as in to elephant someone or elephant off - and this has become the de rigueur term since.
Thank you for the plug.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Similar the word sunshine is used for a lady part not to e mentioned.
I do love Sunshine. I also love a slogan that something or other over here in Oz has been flogging form the past several months. I Heart Pink I absolutely love pink and have done for years, but I don't think I'd have a job or many teeth left, if I spent all my time mentioning how much I love pink.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
Huh?! What did you do to screw it up?? I've NEVER had an O/S installation go that long. Well, not since the Novell NetWare 2.11 days. My Win 7 install was done in about 12 minutes the last time I ran through it.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame
and hence one of the night shift crew. i don't follow what those people do.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
and this has become the de rigueur term since.
no thanks. WTF works fine for me.
Chris Losinger wrote:
and hence one of the night shift crew.
i don't follow what those people do.Everything and anything. You really should stay up and join in, we can drink legally at 18 and aren't weighed down by political correctness, so don't worry if we're upsetting someone by eating fried chicken or watermelon or if we've painted our faces with shoe polish or wished elephant rape on a Russian tennis grunter.
Chris Losinger wrote:
no thanks. WTF works fine for me.
But fuck isn't as hip and happening as Elephant.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
