An American 1812 war question
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Can anybody provide evidence of a major claim of the revolution's cause? This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known". From the histories I have read of the time the Royal Navy only impressed ex British sailors from US ships, although the fact that the US were handing out citizenships like confetti does cloud the issue somewhat. is it just this, that the US were complaining about Brits who had later claimed to be US citizens being pressed (even if they had "run" from the RN) or is it genuine US born citizens that were being pressed? this was brought on by a pub discussion with a friendly Yank
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
From the histories I have read
My biggest question is which histories are you referring too? British or American history? You know as well as I do that either side is going to write the history as THEY view it with their perceptions. That does not prove the truth of either side really. Classic "He said She said". And likely as not, both sides are fully convinced that their version is the full truth. Not arguing the right or wrong of your opinion or point, simply pointing that out as food for thought.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
From the histories I have read
My biggest question is which histories are you referring too? British or American history? You know as well as I do that either side is going to write the history as THEY view it with their perceptions. That does not prove the truth of either side really. Classic "He said She said". And likely as not, both sides are fully convinced that their version is the full truth. Not arguing the right or wrong of your opinion or point, simply pointing that out as food for thought.
It used to be what you know that got you ahead, then it was who you know, now its what you know about who you know that gets you ahead. Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
I have to admit its tends towards the British, however all the US ones I have read have tended to assume that this fact is given. I understand the he said she said argument, this is why I asked
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Can anybody provide evidence of a major claim of the revolution's cause? This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known". From the histories I have read of the time the Royal Navy only impressed ex British sailors from US ships, although the fact that the US were handing out citizenships like confetti does cloud the issue somewhat. is it just this, that the US were complaining about Brits who had later claimed to be US citizens being pressed (even if they had "run" from the RN) or is it genuine US born citizens that were being pressed? this was brought on by a pub discussion with a friendly Yank
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I understood that they would take only sailors born British regardless of their current status and ignored US born sailors. I'm sure that mistakes would have been made and not reported by the British but made much of by the US. I can't recall where I read this but I'll see if I can dig something up and post back.
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I understood that they would take only sailors born British regardless of their current status and ignored US born sailors. I'm sure that mistakes would have been made and not reported by the British but made much of by the US. I can't recall where I read this but I'll see if I can dig something up and post back.
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That was my understanding but i was allowing for bias on my behalf
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I understood that they would take only sailors born British regardless of their current status and ignored US born sailors. I'm sure that mistakes would have been made and not reported by the British but made much of by the US. I can't recall where I read this but I'll see if I can dig something up and post back.
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What was the legal difference between US born and British born Americans before the war?
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wizardzz wrote:
What was the legal difference between US born and British born Americans before the war?
I have no idea but it probably seemed important at that time hence only taking British born sailors.
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I understood that they would take only sailors born British regardless of their current status and ignored US born sailors. I'm sure that mistakes would have been made and not reported by the British but made much of by the US. I can't recall where I read this but I'll see if I can dig something up and post back.
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mark merrens wrote:
I understood that they would take only sailors born British regardless of their current status and ignored US born sailors.
Well, you have to have standards dont you...
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Well, you have to have standards dont you...
Do I? Why? (said with straight face)
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Can anybody provide evidence of a major claim of the revolution's cause? This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known". From the histories I have read of the time the Royal Navy only impressed ex British sailors from US ships, although the fact that the US were handing out citizenships like confetti does cloud the issue somewhat. is it just this, that the US were complaining about Brits who had later claimed to be US citizens being pressed (even if they had "run" from the RN) or is it genuine US born citizens that were being pressed? this was brought on by a pub discussion with a friendly Yank
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We were never taught that was a major issue for the revoltuion. The War of 1812, on the other hand... Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment[^] has some stuff (9000 pressed, etc.) This seems to refer to the records of it: http://www.archives.gov/research/military/war-of-1812/1812-discharge-certificates/impressed-seamen-1793-to-1814.html[^]
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Can anybody provide evidence of a major claim of the revolution's cause? This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known". From the histories I have read of the time the Royal Navy only impressed ex British sailors from US ships, although the fact that the US were handing out citizenships like confetti does cloud the issue somewhat. is it just this, that the US were complaining about Brits who had later claimed to be US citizens being pressed (even if they had "run" from the RN) or is it genuine US born citizens that were being pressed? this was brought on by a pub discussion with a friendly Yank
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I have (probably) a silly question. How they were able to tell a Brit from an American-born those days? Surely not by the pronunciation or the accent.
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Can anybody provide evidence of a major claim of the revolution's cause? This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known". From the histories I have read of the time the Royal Navy only impressed ex British sailors from US ships, although the fact that the US were handing out citizenships like confetti does cloud the issue somewhat. is it just this, that the US were complaining about Brits who had later claimed to be US citizens being pressed (even if they had "run" from the RN) or is it genuine US born citizens that were being pressed? this was brought on by a pub discussion with a friendly Yank
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While impressment was likely one issue. There were also others. Are you aware of the "Boston Tea Party"? My impression would be that the issue of taxation without representation was pretty big and lead to a lot of hostilities. :)
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Can anybody provide evidence of a major claim of the revolution's cause? This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known". From the histories I have read of the time the Royal Navy only impressed ex British sailors from US ships, although the fact that the US were handing out citizenships like confetti does cloud the issue somewhat. is it just this, that the US were complaining about Brits who had later claimed to be US citizens being pressed (even if they had "run" from the RN) or is it genuine US born citizens that were being pressed? this was brought on by a pub discussion with a friendly Yank
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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I understood that they would take only sailors born British regardless of their current status and ignored US born sailors. I'm sure that mistakes would have been made and not reported by the British but made much of by the US. I can't recall where I read this but I'll see if I can dig something up and post back.
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We were never taught that was a major issue for the revoltuion. The War of 1812, on the other hand... Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment[^] has some stuff (9000 pressed, etc.) This seems to refer to the records of it: http://www.archives.gov/research/military/war-of-1812/1812-discharge-certificates/impressed-seamen-1793-to-1814.html[^]
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Big mistake, yes I was refereing to the 1812. looks like it confirms my belief that we tended to limit our impressments to british or ex RN (tradition of the time was that sailors had the ships on which they served names tatooed on themselves, not a clever thing to do if you later run, is it ) It would look like we were actually quiet restrained, only taking sailors who we could show were either Brits or had "run" I found a article that reported that an investigation by the US govenment on a US merchantman that had been stopped and 4 sailors removed by the RN, had, on deeper investigation only 3 crew members out of its full crew of 30+ that were US born and over 20 could be identified as ex RN!
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While impressment was likely one issue. There were also others. Are you aware of the "Boston Tea Party"? My impression would be that the issue of taxation without representation was pretty big and lead to a lot of hostilities. :)
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taxation without representation was an issue to a few big land owners not to the masses as did not effect them at the time only land owner could vote. the whole issue of taxation without representation could have been fixed with 2 seats in parliment IIRC but this could not be done without royal approval and Gorgie boy was off his trolley at the time. there was also the issue of what these taxes paid for, they had RN protection of shipping, protection against the French and many other benifits. also IIRC a big cause of the revolution was the embargo of expansion into indian terratories, HM Govenment had stopped the settlers from stealing indian land, this didnt go down well
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Can anybody provide evidence of a major claim of the revolution's cause? This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known". From the histories I have read of the time the Royal Navy only impressed ex British sailors from US ships, although the fact that the US were handing out citizenships like confetti does cloud the issue somewhat. is it just this, that the US were complaining about Brits who had later claimed to be US citizens being pressed (even if they had "run" from the RN) or is it genuine US born citizens that were being pressed? this was brought on by a pub discussion with a friendly Yank
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known".
That was the War of 1812. When the revolution happened, Americans were technically British subjects, and therefore subject to British law.
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taxation without representation was an issue to a few big land owners not to the masses as did not effect them at the time only land owner could vote. the whole issue of taxation without representation could have been fixed with 2 seats in parliment IIRC but this could not be done without royal approval and Gorgie boy was off his trolley at the time. there was also the issue of what these taxes paid for, they had RN protection of shipping, protection against the French and many other benifits. also IIRC a big cause of the revolution was the embargo of expansion into indian terratories, HM Govenment had stopped the settlers from stealing indian land, this didnt go down well
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
The grievances that spurred the Revolution were clearly enumerated in the Declaration of Independence.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
This is the impressment of US sailors by British warships, I have heard this used time and time again and yet when pressed they result is always "it’s well known".
That was the War of 1812. When the revolution happened, Americans were technically British subjects, and therefore subject to British law.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I already copped to that error
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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I already copped to that error
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Ahhh. Didn't read the whole thread. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Erudite_Eric wrote:
Well, you have to have standards dont you...
Do I? Why? (said with straight face)
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