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Freedom of thought and life, without church intervention
It sounds like you are saying the church (I don't care which) is not allowed to share its beliefs. Your own beliefs come from many different sources: news, friends, experiences, personal pondering moments, church, school, books, movies, media, etc, etc. So, why are you trying to take the church out of that list? Why are they not allowed to try and influence people?
ryanb31 wrote:
Why are they not allowed to try and influence people?
Because I do not want your church telling me how to live my life. When you go to church they clergy are allowed to tell you how to live your life. Your church. Your life. Not mine. Other than that your examples are not analogous.
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ryanb31 wrote:
Why are they not allowed to try and influence people?
Because I do not want your church telling me how to live my life. When you go to church they clergy are allowed to tell you how to live your life. Your church. Your life. Not mine. Other than that your examples are not analogous.
The media tell you how to live. School teaches you how to live. Your neighbors influence you how to live. Your government tells you how to live. Athletes tell you how to live. Actors tell you how to live. I could go on and on. The church is no different. Listen if you want to, don't if you don't. It's that simple.
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Depends what kind of opinion it is.. you don't need to justify your preference for sweet candy or whatever, but if you start having "opinions about facts" then that's a problem.
depends on what you consider a "fact". Some things people consider "facts" are just theories or themselves deeply held opinions.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
LOL. It's your choice to care or not. Just my opinion that you should care, if you believe God exists.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
LOL. It's your choice to care or not. Just my opinion that you should care, if you believe God exists.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
depends on what you consider a "fact". Some things people consider "facts" are just theories or themselves deeply held opinions.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Well, because he's your father, he loves you and wants the best for you, and if you believe in God, you love him in return. We obey our earthly fathers (and care what their opinions are) for much the same reasons.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Well, because he's your father, he loves you and wants the best for you, and if you believe in God, you love him in return. We obey our earthly fathers (and care what their opinions are) for much the same reasons.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
I can have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not, can't I? Isn't that an opinion about a "fact?" Some people believe in God and consider his existence a fact. Some do not believe in God an consider other peoples belief in his existence (factness) an opinion (to be kind).
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
LOL. Good answer.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
The media tell you how to live. School teaches you how to live. Your neighbors influence you how to live. Your government tells you how to live. Athletes tell you how to live. Actors tell you how to live. I could go on and on. The church is no different. Listen if you want to, don't if you don't. It's that simple.
ryanb31 wrote:
The media tell you how to live
Nope. The vast majority of media is directed at entertainment. Unless perhaps you base your life on what celebrities are doing.
ryanb31 wrote:
School teaches you how to live
Nope. In many cases teachers are specifically forbidden to teach topics that will impact adults.
ryanb31 wrote:
Your neighbors influence you how to live.
Not in the slightest.
ryanb31 wrote:
Your government tells you how to live.
To some extent. But at least where I live a great deal of my life has nothing to do with governments.
ryanb31 wrote:
Athletes tell you how to live. Actors tell you how to live.
Not me they don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
I could go on and on.
...presenting false analogies.
ryanb31 wrote:
The church is no different. Listen if you want to, don't if you don't. It's that simple.
Quite a bit different when your church, which I do not attend, decides that they should enforce their rules on non-members including me. Similar to, and based on your analogy, if Tom Cruise insisted that everyone should be required to joing the church of Scientology.
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I can have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not, can't I? Isn't that an opinion about a "fact?" Some people believe in God and consider his existence a fact. Some do not believe in God an consider other peoples belief in his existence (factness) an opinion (to be kind).
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunWell it gets sort of complicated down that road. Facts are only supposed to be "actual truths" (by definition), but that's not always known. In those cases, it's not considered a fact (yet). But sometimes things aren't really known yet but we think they are, and things get messy. Supposed facts may later turn out to be non-facts (eg the general applicability of Newtons laws). Messy. And that is also why yes, you may have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not. But invalid doubts (eg unjustified opinions)? Sorry, no. That is to say, think what you want, but invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.
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Well it gets sort of complicated down that road. Facts are only supposed to be "actual truths" (by definition), but that's not always known. In those cases, it's not considered a fact (yet). But sometimes things aren't really known yet but we think they are, and things get messy. Supposed facts may later turn out to be non-facts (eg the general applicability of Newtons laws). Messy. And that is also why yes, you may have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not. But invalid doubts (eg unjustified opinions)? Sorry, no. That is to say, think what you want, but invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.
harold aptroot wrote:
invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.
True, but then it may just be your opinion that any given doubt is invalid. And so, we go in circles.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
harold aptroot wrote:
invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.
True, but then it may just be your opinion that any given doubt is invalid. And so, we go in circles.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun