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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    a) good point. b) never had to do anything like that so don't really care. c) Two: anything else is lunacy and must be stamped out: 2 dimensions is more than enough for anybody!

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    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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    OK, then, stay where you are. I'll be bringing my steamroller over. Please lay on the ground. Afterwards, you will be two-dimensional.

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    • L Lost User

      Follow up on the Variable names thread below, I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general? Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable, but I would say stop at two. The third loops gets a bit messy.

      for(int i=0; i<100; i++) { //Okay
      for(int j=0; j<100; j++) { //Acceptable
      for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { //Messy
      }
      }
      }

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      thatraja
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      Depends

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      • H hairy_hats

        If that's in your satnav you must have to drive really slowly for all those nested function calls to complete before you arrive at wherever you wanted it to direct you to.

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        Pete OHanlon
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        Or, it could be the routine that precalculates all the routes and filters out the impossible to pass roads for different vehicle sizes and types, when you load a road network into a database.

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          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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          Do you use them? I feel sorry for you... ;P ;P

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          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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          • R R Giskard Reventlov

            a) good point. b) never had to do anything like that so don't really care. c) Two: anything else is lunacy and must be stamped out: 2 dimensions is more than enough for anybody!

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            I once worked on a system written in COBOL, an we had to loop through a madly dimensional array - what would today be a collection of collections:

            for each country
            for each sector
            for each segment
            for each stock
            for each date
            do the stuff
            loop
            loop
            loop
            loop
            loop

            All in one lovely single flat COBOL program. Actually, IIRC it was repeated, sometimes different ways round in lots of programs. I don't do COBOL no more.


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            • L Lost User

              Follow up on the Variable names thread below, I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general? Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable, but I would say stop at two. The third loops gets a bit messy.

              for(int i=0; i<100; i++) { //Okay
              for(int j=0; j<100; j++) { //Acceptable
              for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { //Messy
              }
              }
              }

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              OriginalGriff
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              Use as many as the algorithm requires. If you need to examine every single point in a three dimensional space, then trying to do it without nesting three deep is messy, inefficient, and wastefull.

              for (int x = 0; x < 100; x++)
              {
              for (int y = 0; y < 100; y++)
              {
              for (int z = 0; z < 100; z++)
              {
              ...
              }
              }
              }

              Worse, moving the nesting to methods to "make it look tidier" may well hide the amount of processing that is going on since it is no longer obvious that the single instruction in the middle of the centre loop is being executed 100 * 100 * 100 times, not just 100 times... Having a blanket rule "This is messy!" is wrong, and counter productive.

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              • L Lost User

                Follow up on the Variable names thread below, I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general? Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable, but I would say stop at two. The third loops gets a bit messy.

                for(int i=0; i<100; i++) { //Okay
                for(int j=0; j<100; j++) { //Acceptable
                for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { //Messy
                }
                }
                }

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                Nemanja Trifunovic
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                Shameel wrote:

                I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general?

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                • L Lost User

                  Follow up on the Variable names thread below, I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general? Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable, but I would say stop at two. The third loops gets a bit messy.

                  for(int i=0; i<100; i++) { //Okay
                  for(int j=0; j<100; j++) { //Acceptable
                  for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { //Messy
                  }
                  }
                  }

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                  Dylan Morley
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                  I never go further than 26 levels, because then I've run out of variables to control the loops with. I could of course start using aa, ab, ac...but that gets confusing.

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                  • D Dylan Morley

                    I never go further than 26 levels, because then I've run out of variables to control the loops with. I could of course start using aa, ab, ac...but that gets confusing.

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                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                    I like to use Z1, Z2, Z3, etc... Then I can have hundreds and thousands of nested loops

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                    • L Lost User

                      Follow up on the Variable names thread below, I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general? Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable, but I would say stop at two. The third loops gets a bit messy.

                      for(int i=0; i<100; i++) { //Okay
                      for(int j=0; j<100; j++) { //Acceptable
                      for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { //Messy
                      }
                      }
                      }

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                      GuyThiebaut
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                      Add, as comments to the end of the loops, the containing logic and you can have as many nested as required...

                      for(int i=0; i<100; i++) {

                      for(int j=0; j<100; j++) {
                      
                          for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { 
                      
                          }//int k=0; k<100 
                      
                      }//int j=0; j<100
                      

                      }//int i=0; i<100

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        I like to use Z1, Z2, Z3, etc... Then I can have hundreds and thousands of nested loops

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                        Dylan Morley
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                        Problem with that is the indentation gets too large and you keep having to scroll to the right.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Follow up on the Variable names thread below, I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general? Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable, but I would say stop at two. The third loops gets a bit messy.

                          for(int i=0; i<100; i++) { //Okay
                          for(int j=0; j<100; j++) { //Acceptable
                          for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { //Messy
                          }
                          }
                          }

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                          Gary Wheeler
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                          As many as required, but no more. Limiting the number of nested loops is like prescribing a length for variable names: "Variable names must be at least six characters and no more than 31 characters in length, must begin with an upper case alphabetic character, may not include an underscore, and must consist of one or more complete English words, signified through use of upper case characters at the beginning of each word". Picking names will be like playing Scrabble...

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                            I like to use Z1, Z2, Z3, etc... Then I can have hundreds and thousands of nested loops

                            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                            OriginalGriff
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                            Mmmmmm....Hundreds and Thousands[^]

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                            • D Dylan Morley

                              Problem with that is the indentation gets too large and you keep having to scroll to the right.

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                              OriginalGriff
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                              Buy a wider monitor.

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                Mmmmmm....Hundreds and Thousands[^]

                                Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                mmmmmmmmmmmm, doughnut :-D

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                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Follow up on the Variable names thread below, I would like to ask what is the level of nested loops that is acceptable in general? Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable, but I would say stop at two. The third loops gets a bit messy.

                                  for(int i=0; i<100; i++) { //Okay
                                  for(int j=0; j<100; j++) { //Acceptable
                                  for(int k=0; k<100; k++) { //Messy
                                  }
                                  }
                                  }

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                                  Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                                  Is this from a wikipedia study:

                                  Shameel wrote:

                                  Most people would agree that three levels is acceptable

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                                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                                    What if you want to iterate over a 3D space plotting each x,y,z in a different colour?


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                                    Tom Clement
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                                    Ok, and what if you want to iterate over points in Hilbert space[^]? Eh?

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                                      Ok, and what if you want to iterate over points in Hilbert space[^]? Eh?

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                                      Pete OHanlon
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                                      You would get HWally to intercept the HPointy Aired HBoss first.

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                                        Ok, and what if you want to iterate over points in Hilbert space[^]? Eh?

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                                        I always knew that Hilbert space was infinite dimensional vector space, but I assumed it was a countable infinity. When I glanced at the Wikipedia article, I was kinda surprised to see that you can have a Hilbert space with an uncountable number of dimensions. Now *THAT* would be difficult to iterate across :)

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                                          Ok, and what if you want to iterate over points in Hilbert space[^]? Eh?

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                                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                          Is that anything like Dilbert space?

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