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Shouldn't programmers know how to fix computers?

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    ZurdoDev
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    Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      S Houghtelin
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      I don't know, works on my machine.

      It was broke, so I fixed it.

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        Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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        Xiangyang Liu
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        I think they are either incompetent or they are just looking for excuses for missing the deadline (again).

        My Younger Son & His "PET"

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          I don't know, works on my machine.

          It was broke, so I fixed it.

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          ZurdoDev
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          I hereby grant you certification. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/the-works-on-my-machine-certification-program.html[^]

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            Vark111
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            Fixed your title What drives me even more bonkers are developers who don't know how to put a shortcut to an app on the desktop. :doh: True story, that.

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              Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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              AspDotNetDev
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              Shouldn't computer technicians know how to program?...

              Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                I hereby grant you certification. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/the-works-on-my-machine-certification-program.html[^]

                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                S Houghtelin
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                :) Thank you!

                It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                  Fixed your title What drives me even more bonkers are developers who don't know how to put a shortcut to an app on the desktop. :doh: True story, that.

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                  Xiangyang Liu
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                  Fixed your title again. :)

                  My Younger Son & His "PET"

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                    Fixed your title What drives me even more bonkers are developers who don't know how to put a shortcut to an app on the desktop. :doh: True story, that.

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                    Dr Walt Fair PE
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                    But, but, but ... I did put it on the desktop. See, right there it is, written on that sticky note, right there on the desktop, just next to the keyboard. Darn technicians just ought to learn to read.

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                    Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                      Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                      lewax00
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                      Especially when blue screens give very useful error codes. And when it BSOD's you can assume hardware or driver issue (and Windows is getting better at handling driver failure, so that doesn't always BSOD anymore, especially in graphics drivers), so that narrows it down a lot. Although personally I find it much easier to deal with when you custom build a computer (although, no computer I've built has ever had BSOD errors that weren't fixed with a driver update/reinstall) because you know exactly what piece of hardware you have, unlike pre-builts which may or may not have easily found part lists.

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                        Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        So a VB6 developer (the term is loosely applied here) should know how, and have the tools available, to debug Windows drivers written in C++ ?


                        Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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                          Shouldn't computer technicians know how to program?...

                          Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                          loctrice
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                          :thumbsup:

                          If it moves, compile it

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                            Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            loctrice
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                            I can relate though. I blue screened like 3 computers in a row when I first started my job. I rely heavily on the guy in the next office if I have computer problems. I'm a linux user. I know little to nothing about windoze admin type things. To me , everything is backwards or muddy. I use windows because that's what they use here ( I am getting much better with it, but it has taken some time), but to me it's more like a big IDE than anything else. I use VS, Netbeans, Gedit, etc. not the OS itself. If something goes wrong I'm about the last guy in the office who can fix it. I could re-install every time something went crazy, but that would take a lot of time.

                            If it moves, compile it

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                              Fixed your title What drives me even more bonkers are developers who don't know how to put a shortcut to an app on the desktop. :doh: True story, that.

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                              ZurdoDev
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                              "This is the police. Please step away from the code."

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                I don't know, works on my machine.

                                It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                Mike Hankey
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                                One of the good things about being poor is that I have to do something really, really stupid to make the tabloids. But I can fix my own computer!

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                                  Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  wizardzz
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                                  IT needs something to keep busy. Honestly, it can be a situation where a developer's time is worth more than IT guy's, developer can go on working on shit (adding value to company/product) while IT guy does his thing. But yeah, I agree they should be able to fix most things on their own.

                                  "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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                                    So a VB6 developer (the term is loosely applied here) should know how, and have the tools available, to debug Windows drivers written in C++ ?


                                    Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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                                    lewax00
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                                    No. Blue screens provide error codes, you can look those up to determine the source, and then take appropriate steps to fix it (update/reinstall/rollback the driver, try to replace the hardware that causes the issue, etc.).

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                                      Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                                      Because many people can be very good at one thing and useless at another/everything else or simply don't care enough to bother learning. And knowing how to program may not be enough to give you the skills you'd need to diagnose and fix hardware. I mean, if you're that smart, (and here I might be hanging myself :)) have you worked out how to service your own car or replace the pistons? Can you plumb in a washing machine or build a fitted kitchen? No? Well, you're smart, couldn't you just research it? p.s. If my work pc blue screened I'd call the help desk and get them to deal with it (they'd be pretty miffed if they found me with bits of my pc all over the desk).

                                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                        Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                                        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                        0bx
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                                        Well, excuse me but network engineers and hardware technicians, whose entire job description is to fix computers, usually only know two things: 1) how to format the harddrive -> install windows 2) how to randomly replace parts until it works

                                        Giraffes are not real.

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                                          Because many people can be very good at one thing and useless at another/everything else or simply don't care enough to bother learning. And knowing how to program may not be enough to give you the skills you'd need to diagnose and fix hardware. I mean, if you're that smart, (and here I might be hanging myself :)) have you worked out how to service your own car or replace the pistons? Can you plumb in a washing machine or build a fitted kitchen? No? Well, you're smart, couldn't you just research it? p.s. If my work pc blue screened I'd call the help desk and get them to deal with it (they'd be pretty miffed if they found me with bits of my pc all over the desk).

                                          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                          mark merrens wrote:

                                          I mean, if you're that smart, (and here I might be hanging myself :) ) have you worked out how to service your own car or replace the pistons? Can you plumb in a washing machine or build a fitted kitchen? No? Well, you're smart, couldn't you just research it?

                                          But those cases are a significantly different, the computer is your tool and you should know how to maintain your own tools.

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