Why IE is a dog today and every other day....
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
Yes - they/that really s#cks. Pet peeve: their lack of support for the text-shadow style is particularly onerous. I've a JavaScript to do the job, but the usefulness of considerable: if one's background is a photograph (for example), whatever choice of color one uses for text will either disappear at various locations (no contrast) or one must use hideous colors. With the text-shadow element, the text always shows well, either by its own merit or that of its shadow. Fortunately, they now account for just over 30% of the visitors to the sites I maintain. I wonder if anyone out in M$'s home office ever read that story about 'The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs.'
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The only time I am forced to use IE is when I have to re-image my box and I use it to download (other) browsers.
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Internet, HTTP, Web Services: These are few that have become great things because there is a standard so everyone can use them robustly and without side effects. I think MS (and other people, developing anything) should try to adhere to the open standards as far as possible. That will be good for the community, and in the long run good for the software vendor. I can suggest users to boycott IE, and ask developers to show the message "You're using the crappy IE browser. Get a 'real browser' now', if the users are using IE. That is easy to say and will not work. Because no matter how you hate MS, they got big market share in quite a few things, and consequently they got a say. Microsoft's (or any organizations' for that matter) stubbornness for not adhering to standards will inhibit the prospering of the community and consequently reduce their future income. We can only hope they will know better.
Peace, ye fat guts!
krumia wrote:
I can suggest users to boycott IE, and ask developers to show the message "You're using the crappy IE browser. Get a 'real browser' now', if the users are using IE.
Sometimes I get message like this: small popup or big letters instead of actual page. I just close sites like this and find another. If they want this kind of reaction, it's really work.
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
3 Month later , I was developed an application in asp.net, My client suggest me IE is one of the common browser and every thing should work in it. I was installed different version's of IE On more then two PC, and check my app. on all version's and I takes different results, I was also check my app. on firfox and Chrome I have Smiler result with little difference on both. in some case My experience the net speed was slow on it, as soon as i open IE there are may types of updates and popups open with it that is problematic and create delay in work.
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3 Month later , I was developed an application in asp.net, My client suggest me IE is one of the common browser and every thing should work in it. I was installed different version's of IE On more then two PC, and check my app. on all version's and I takes different results, I was also check my app. on firfox and Chrome I have Smiler result with little difference on both. in some case My experience the net speed was slow on it, as soon as i open IE there are may types of updates and popups open with it that is problematic and create delay in work.
manoj kumar choubey wrote:
I was installed different version's of IE On more then two PC, and check my app. on all version's and I takes different results
this is prob the most anonying point of all ... it proves that they update the DOM rendering engine, just not in a good way
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
It seems that I am the only one that is going defend IE here today ;) CSS3 gradients is implemented in IE10, and comes with Windows 8 in oktober. As for IE9, the only stuff of real everyday value that's missing is gradients and text-shadow, but they're long over due indeed. The positive thing about IE9 is the speed. It's awesome at animations containing rgba backgrounds, transparent pngs and shadows etc. IE9 wins over all browsers on this one. I notice this all the time on the project we're working on at work right now. IE9 really excels with its buttery smooth animations. As for the IE-team caring about standards, they're probably the team focusing on it the most right now, and also getting it right (which means without bugs). I believe it was on MIX they made fun of chrome because of the clipping bug in css3 columns. IE9 also does border-radius correct: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/HTML5/BorderRadius/Default.html[^] while many of the other browsers don't. IE10 will probably blow away the competition _when_ it comes out.
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krumia wrote:
Microsoft's (or any organizations' for that matter) stubbornness for not adhering to standards will inhibit the prospering of the community and consequently reduce their future income. We can only hope they will know better.
So what browser would you recommend. Chrome? Oh wait, what about the WebKit extensions proposed for CSS 3? FireFox - oops, sorry, moz extensions there. If you are talking about adherence to standards, then a few things to contemplate: 1. You fall over before you get to HTML 5. It's not a standard. 2. Extensions drive features forwards. Microsoft's problem was not engaging with other browser providers to deliver their extensions as enhancements. 3. We are techies. For us, there's not a real issue with the concept of downloading an alternative browser. For other non-technical users, there is a real issue. 4. If someone is using Windows Phone, they cannot install another browser. So, a strategy of pushing users away because you haven't taken the time to make your site work in IE just lost you customers.
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Yep. I agree. And why did the "Crap" of Microsoft became the mostly used software OS and Explorer ?
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It seems that I am the only one that is going defend IE here today ;) CSS3 gradients is implemented in IE10, and comes with Windows 8 in oktober. As for IE9, the only stuff of real everyday value that's missing is gradients and text-shadow, but they're long over due indeed. The positive thing about IE9 is the speed. It's awesome at animations containing rgba backgrounds, transparent pngs and shadows etc. IE9 wins over all browsers on this one. I notice this all the time on the project we're working on at work right now. IE9 really excels with its buttery smooth animations. As for the IE-team caring about standards, they're probably the team focusing on it the most right now, and also getting it right (which means without bugs). I believe it was on MIX they made fun of chrome because of the clipping bug in css3 columns. IE9 also does border-radius correct: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/HTML5/BorderRadius/Default.html[^] while many of the other browsers don't. IE10 will probably blow away the competition _when_ it comes out.
Let me play devil's advocate. Well i see it different. If IE is on 85% off all peoples computers and they use it everyday, that means THAT IS THE STANDARD. All the others are crappy. :) (remember vhs, betamax, v2000. The one with porn and the number of users won!) flame away!
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Ah yes.. obligatory..[^]
Jason Hooper wrote:
Ah yes.. obligatory..[^]
It reminds me of a funny IE adventure I had a long time ago. I was installing Windows NT 4.0 on a system, it was around year 2000 and IE3 I think was the IE version that came with it. Windows NT was before the Windows Update days, so I head up to Microsoft site to download the latest and greatest IE 5.0 and surprise! Microsoft's site wasn't even showing in IE3. Damn... I then went to Netscape's website, which loaded correctly in IE3 and downloaded and installed Netscape Navigator and with that browser I was able to view Microsoft's website and download IE5... Ironic, I had to use Microsoft's competitor to get to them...
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
but is just text in IE
That would be because of this;
window.addEvent('domready', function () {
var isWebKit = navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().match(/applewebkit/);
var isSupported = isWebKit || Browser.safari || Browser.firefox || Browser.chrome || Browser.opera;if (isSupported) { new Root(); } else { var body = document.id(document.body); body.style.background = "white"; body.style.color = "#111"; body.style.overflow = "auto"; body.style.overflowX = "auto"; body.style.overflowY = "auto"; document.id("sections").style.display = "block"; }});
If you spoof the user-agent string in IE10 the site displays just fine. But then, as he is an Appleite I expect such a half-arsed implementation. :rolleyes:
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I can only hope that anyone who has the know-how to spoof their user-agent string isn't still using IE.
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
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It seems that I am the only one that is going defend IE here today ;) CSS3 gradients is implemented in IE10, and comes with Windows 8 in oktober. As for IE9, the only stuff of real everyday value that's missing is gradients and text-shadow, but they're long over due indeed. The positive thing about IE9 is the speed. It's awesome at animations containing rgba backgrounds, transparent pngs and shadows etc. IE9 wins over all browsers on this one. I notice this all the time on the project we're working on at work right now. IE9 really excels with its buttery smooth animations. As for the IE-team caring about standards, they're probably the team focusing on it the most right now, and also getting it right (which means without bugs). I believe it was on MIX they made fun of chrome because of the clipping bug in css3 columns. IE9 also does border-radius correct: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/HTML5/BorderRadius/Default.html[^] while many of the other browsers don't. IE10 will probably blow away the competition _when_ it comes out.
There's also the significantly improved f12 tools in ie9, in my opinion the best feature therein. I know everyone will cry 'BUT FIREBUG/CHROME DEVELOPER TOOLS.' Honestly? I find them garish and occupy more space than I care to commit to a UI for debugging an xml dom. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a 'who needs an IDE when you have viedit' zealot, but I tend to grade my expectation of the UI complexity to the importance of the task. /bunnytrail
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
Interesting question. I am just preparing to post a 4th post in a series on SharePoint 2010, CSS3 and HTML5. The result was a little surprising. My examples were with the latest versions of Firefox and Chrome, and Internet explorer versions 8 - 10. No suprise that IE8 was a non-starter. IE9 performed rendering (other than CSS3 Gradients for which the DXImageTransform.Microsoft.gradient work-around was required) better than both competitors and IE10 from the Developer Preview outperformed everything. I'm hoping Microsoft adds CssGradients to IE10, but even if they don't they have certainly demonstrated a commitment to HTML5 and CSS3. While your rant and frustrations are understood and deserved, it's also good to give Miscrosoft credit when it responds to the user community requests. Look at this Modernizr compatibility array from IE10 - there's not much missing here. ;) no-flexboxr flexbox-legacyr canvasr canvastextr no-webglr no-touchr geolocationr postmessager no-websqldatabaser indexeddbr hashchanger historyr draganddropr websocketsr rgbar hslar multiplebgsr backgroundsizer no-borderimager borderradiusr boxshadowr textshadowr opacityr cssanimationsr csscolumnsr cssgradientsr no-cssreflectionsr csstransformsr csstransforms3dr csstransitionsr fontfacer generatedcontentr videor audior localstorager sessionstorager webworkersr applicationcacher svgr inlinesvgr no-smilr svgclippaths
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
you don't know what you are talking about - not a single one of the browsers out there are compliant with with all the standards, and even the ones that "thnk" that they are compliant with is just a matter of opinion thats the trouble with just having browser standards and letting various companies determine for themselves what the standards actually mean and how to implement the browser functionality to "meet" those standards - in short the whole thing boils down to how the developers "interpret" the standards. in other cases they just outright choose not to support certain parts of the standards and that will be the problem with html5 - it sounds great, but we will have the same issues with html5 that we have now with certain browsers working one way and others doing something else when they are all reading the same code there is only one answer to this problem - have the same authority that writes the standards also test each browser and if it doesn't pass 100%, then it can not be released to the public till it is nothing more frustrating than to have to write 4 different variations of a html site just so it will render that same on all browsers - actually is not possible depending on what code you write as not all browsers have support for certain things in the css this is what makes Silverlight so great as a plugin - any code will work and render the same on any browser
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Yep. I agree. And why did the "Crap" of Microsoft became the mostly used software OS and Explorer ?
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krumia wrote:
I can suggest users to boycott IE, and ask developers to show the message "You're using the crappy IE browser. Get a 'real browser' now', if the users are using IE.
Another reason Bret Victor is the man... his website looks awesome in Chrome/FF, but is just text in IE. :-D
Yes, looks way better in IE, the dude can't design for shit.
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
Only when I don't get to do things my way and use HTML5 Boilerplate, which takes advantage of Modernizr.js to deal with all of IE's bullshit.
When posting here, I do not represent anybody but myself.
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#region RANT Does anyone else spend far to much time trying to get IE to render similar outputs as ALL other browsers... i am ammused that the IE team seems not to care to much about CSS3 gradients or HTML "standards" because they can rely on the default install for 85% of users not bothering to get a real browser :(( #endregion
This makes me very sad, all this hating on Microsoft and IE, why? Is IE9 standards compliant? Yes, probably more so that any other popular browser (no I'm not hitting the pipe, just talking about real standards compliance, HTML 1.1 being the last finalized standard). As Pete O'Hanlon pointed out, HTML5 is NOT a standard. The idea that browser developers should keep 'pushing things forward' regardless of actual standards is just stupid. When would you advocate that type of development process anywhere but in the browser space. As for the general Microsoft haters, well, what's your beef? The NT kernel is the most modern of the monolithic OS's. Mac OS had to die, it was pure crap, unless you enjoyed listening to the restart chime all day and had an aversion to real productivity, (funny how they sell iStuff on the promise of the app store, all those thousands of apps, didn't seem to bother Apple fanboys that there was no software for Mac OS). So what did Apple do, take a nearly 40 year old OS kernel and stick a 25 year old GUI on top, there's real progress and innovation for you. Irix did that 15+ years ago to much better effect for the time (and on far superior hardware). And don't even go there with Linux, 15+ years I've been installing Linux in the hope that they've finally got something... still a badly designed OS that runs hobby apps. But hey, its free, that makes up for everything, right. OK, so they own the server space, not actually much of a plus as Apache Server is just sad, talk about the triumph of stupid. Swiss Army Knife, does everything but nothing well. Microsoft has its faults, of course, but right now Windows 7 is arguably the best OS available (simply depends on your requirements) and IE9 is a great browser. Do some real-world profiling, fastest loading and rendering in almost all cases (interesting bug, can be even faster when it loses focus..). Chrome is still nice with a fast JS engine but FireFox has lost the plot completely, some nice debugging tools, all else, fail. And hey, lets not forget that Microsoft even invented XMLHttpRequest, the foundation of the modern interactive web, JS is interchangeable and pretty lame, thanks Netscape, could have been worse I suppose, maybe. So IE doesn't support your latest CSS3 tricks, get a life and stop hating Microsoft just because its trendy, you are lazy, and you think gradients and rouded corners equate to good web design ...sad. Just as an aside. I'm going to laugh my ass off when someone finally does a real head to head between flash a
