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Actually, you turn off my wife's car by hitting the Start button.
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It just sets the computer to work on 0 power for next few hours. It's called the shutdown mode and it IS a setting. And while everybody is trying to reduce the number of clicks and keystrokes... :doh:
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
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It is not neccessily bad, but unfortunately, it is not good. When I went to Vista, that was a pain. What really frustrated me was the ribbon. All MS had to do was provide a way to get to the old menus, and would have made a lot of people happy. The Ribbon is much better for some things, and much worse for less frequently used things. Since I have not used Windows 8, I do not know. I do know I do not like the version 10 IE, which makes it harder to change magnification, leaves less space for the tabs, and does not have a search box. Progress is not always goos.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
MS waitied while others jumped on board and spent literally billions paving the way. Now MS simply is spending their billions for tools. What does this mean?
Don't call us tools :)
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
My theory is this. Windows 8 is not meant to survive or gain any footing.
Windows 8 is to aid us developers make the transision.Great, but it might just covince many to transition away from Microsoft altogether.
I'm invincible, I can't be vinced
I know you were joking, but just to be clear the tools are the frameworks etc.
CDP1802 wrote:
Great, but it might just covince many to transition away from Microsoft altogether.
The question is who? Over the next couple years the purchases are going to be everyday consumers NOT business system upgrades. These consumers are already transitioning away from MS but not because they are not happy with them, because they do not offer an option. Most of these consumers want mobile. Frankly Windows is not an option today compared to alternatives. However, if you are not wanting mobile (i.e. need a new Desktop) what will you choose? Today most take Windows 7. By the end of the year a large percentage of that will shift to W8 (after the release). Sure some will say no no I want to stick with Windows 7 (same thing happend when Vista was out... People took XP over it). Your other option is to go with OS X, which that tends to be people who were already purchasing Macs. However, any loss that they might take for someone who shifts away will likely be made up in their missing market right now (lack of any mobility). So it seems over the next year they will not actually loose much overall market share... It will simply shift some (gain mobility market from the leaders i.e. google and apple and loose some non-mobility to the trailers i.e. apple or linux/unix).
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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JoeSox wrote:
Taking away the normal Start button
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical. :-)
Shameel wrote:
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical.
lol. it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
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Shameel wrote:
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical.
lol. it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
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JoeSox wrote:
it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
Only for those few old-school users who still click the shutdown button. Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
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JoeSox wrote:
it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
Only for those few old-school users who still click the shutdown button. Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
Can't tell if this is a factitious comment or not but not everyone uses laptop, esp. the majority of workstations in a business.
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
I work for a major OEM, and I can tell you that there are alot of worried people around here. Win 8 is a disaster in the making. MS will lose alot of people to other OS's.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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I work for a major OEM, and I can tell you that there are alot of worried people around here. Win 8 is a disaster in the making. MS will lose alot of people to other OS's.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
Kevin Marois wrote:
I work for a major OEM, and I can tell you that there are alot of worried people around here.
MS is pretty good at listing to feedback, or at least they were for Windows 7 but yes. I dunno, Win8 seems like non-business OS to me (from using the preview) but the hardware support still will be taking dumb training OS calls I could see that happening for sure.
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Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
Can't tell if this is a factitious comment or not but not everyone uses laptop, esp. the majority of workstations in a business.
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Even those can be shut down using the same hardware button that was used to turn them on - same as all other electronic devices. Sure, a shutdown button would be nice for desktop use. But Windows 8 clearly isn't designed for desktops. It's all about the consumer market and consumers are using laptops, netbooks and tablets.
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
JoeSox wrote:
Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers
Not Microsoft, but your boss. He's the one that buys Windows.
JoeSox wrote:
Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime
Aw, spare me, that complaint comes with every new version of Windows. Have you read the motif on removing the button?
JoeSox wrote:
I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing
I haven't tried the beta yet, but I presume
Alt-F4has been left unchanged. They like to keep backward compatible with old elephants like me :)Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
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JoeSox wrote:
Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers
Not Microsoft, but your boss. He's the one that buys Windows.
JoeSox wrote:
Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime
Aw, spare me, that complaint comes with every new version of Windows. Have you read the motif on removing the button?
JoeSox wrote:
I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing
I haven't tried the beta yet, but I presume
Alt-F4has been left unchanged. They like to keep backward compatible with old elephants like me :)Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Aw, spare me, that complaint comes with every new version of Windows.
Wasn't a complaint, just a fact.
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JoeSox wrote:
it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
Only for those few old-school users who still click the shutdown button. Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
I hate that setting, it's a real pain when I want to move somewhere else with my laptop and when I get there I have to wait for it to turn back on. And I'm generally moving other items with it so leaving it open is just inviting droppage.
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I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing
:omg:
See what you mean... Once I found the task manager, I never let it go.
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
Microsoft should consider including two display modes in Windows 8, one for desktop users and one for mobile users. I think it is quite easy. The success of Windows depends very much on a group of old Windows users. It is meaningless to force them to change their way of using computers.
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Abhinav S wrote:
The power-off button?
It was in a virtual machine; probably not the best way to shut it down if it was a physical machine. Heaven-forbid a windows box is shutdown improperly, something evil may be unleashed! RUNNN!!!
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JoeSox wrote:
It was in a virtual machine; probably not the best way to shut it down if it was a physical machine. Heaven-forbid a windows box is shutdown improperly, something evil may be unleashed! RUNNN!!!
For quite some time now, when I press and release the power button on my PC, Windows has shut down gracefully.
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
I've seen a slew of these types of complaints lately, and I can't help but think, what's the big effin' deal? I, and many of the developers and users with whom I work, seldom actually shut down our computers. I don't even restart mine unless the infrastructure guys have pushed some changes that require I do so. Same thing at home; when Windows update or other program installation requires a restart, I do so, otherwise, I just sleep it, which is a key on my keyboard. Admittedly, there are other issues with Windows 8 that I think I may not enjoy, but I'm going to wait until something is actually released to market before I start claiming doom and gloom. After all, it's not like I have to switch right away. But about the absence of the start button (which I've also heard may be enabled for those who want it), I can't really seem to get worked up.
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My theory is this. Windows 8 is not meant to survive or gain any footing. Windows 8 is to aid us developers make the transision. MS knows a shift is comming. It has already started. Now while we look around we say no way, desktop forever. While that may be partially true new things are opening up. Mobile is taking over and businesses understand this. They however don't really 'understand' it. Mobility however is on the Slope of enlightment. MS waitied while others jumped on board and spent literally billions paving the way. Now MS simply is spending their billions for tools. What does this mean? MS is backed by developers who make solid products. That has been their backbone for quite some time now. With a paridigm shift however their tools have become obsolete. Even their OS was not prepped to handle the shift. So it seems that Windows 8 is a guinea pig. It provides devs with WinRT and the new model they have conceptualized. I doubt MS needs the 'businesses' to pick up Windows 8 for this to occur. There is enough market with out it even. Everyday consumers will fill the void (your mom and computer illiterate pappy). Behind them will be a set of developers seeing some $ in the market, or just some developers who program to it as a hobby. After about a year MS will see where they failed and aggressively begin the counter. After about a year or 2 then you will see again a new OS which will likely be consumed by all entities including the businesses that are clinging to XP and/or 7. This newer OS will likely integrate most MS products more fluidly. You can see how they have been trying to do it with ad-hocs over the years. Well these next few releases (all products) are not ad-hocs but re-design. So in summary they have re-designed for the long haul. They will take a hit on the earnings over the next year or two, but after that it is highly likely MS surges most markets. Hate W8 if you want. Or maybe be the first to dabble in it. Learn from it and write blogs and books. Write some simple apps and make some small profit to then fund the larger ventures yet to come.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
If that were indeed Microsoft's plan, whoever came up with it should be fired. It is a horrible business plan. Windows 8 is a very good OS, and with a few tweaks (like putting back the Start button and the familiar Start menu) Windows 8 wil be very popular. I installed Win8-64 on an old Dell laptop (no touch, no wide screen), and it installed and runs fine. I installed the VB6 runtime, and a couple of updates to it we use in XP and Windows 7, and my VB6 app ran just fine. Touch and mobile are expanding the user base (both in quantity, and in terms of using technology in more places). But tasks that require a keyboard and mouse still abide. They are not going away. The ergonomics of using touch while seated at a desk with various insundry books, papers, and post-its scattered about eliminate touch as an option. However, I do see a market for laptop- and desktop-equivalent units using or supporting Microsoft Surface (or some variant of it). Consider what is, in essence, a 21" (or larger) tablet with built-in Bluetooth support for a keybpoard and mouse. But until the existing desktops and laptops without touch have completed their depreciation period (1 to 3 years), and it is cost effective to replace them, Windows 8 needs to fully support the traditional keyboard-and-mouse user interface. That will keep the revenue stream coming so they can work on an even better OS, fully touch-optional applications (like Office), and making the various development tools for web, desktop, touch, database, and "the cloud" one comprehensive tool, purposely and excellently integrated with the Mono products so a developer can use C# or VB to write for Windows, iOS, Android, and Linux (with different UIs to address the different UI concerns, of course). If I were in charge of VS12, that is where we would be headed, and MS would rule the applications running on iOS, Android, and Linux.
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Even those can be shut down using the same hardware button that was used to turn them on - same as all other electronic devices. Sure, a shutdown button would be nice for desktop use. But Windows 8 clearly isn't designed for desktops. It's all about the consumer market and consumers are using laptops, netbooks and tablets.
I thought Windows 8 was all about having one OS codebase for the full range of Windows devices, from smartphones to tablets, embedded devices, laptops, desktops, servers, and massively parallel processing servers. That would logically imply a setting that controls whether the computer uses a Metro interface or a "classic" keyboard-and-mouse interface.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Ahhh, but I have been told that we are stupid for not understanding what Windows 8 is, and that our clients are stupid for wanting to be able to do the things they used to be able to, and that only those who fully embrace metro apps will survive the rapture.
Which is why Ubuntu has been looking really nice lately, esp. version 12, now if app developers would start designing their apps to work in there and not just windows, that would be nice.
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JoeSox wrote:
Which is why Ubuntu has been looking really nice lately
I've got 2 Ubuntu machines at home and they are still on 10.04, couldn't stand Unity UI. Others are on Mint. Unity's two big problems: hard to find applications that are not "docked" to the sidebar and menu bar is pushed out of the application window and put on the top bar (too much Mac like for my taste).