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Book recomendation for a young scientist please

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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Please no! Dawkins is as fanatical as the Sky Pixies Fanciers he spends his entire time ridiculing. Let her decide for herself - his rabid atheism is as bad as the unthinking fanaticism he protests.

    Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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    Septimus Hedgehog
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    The thing that amuses me about Dawkins is how he has to guard every word he speaks in public. If he got kicked in the doo-dahs would he collapse to the floor screaming "Oh, God." or spit out "Jesus Christ" if he stubbed his toe on something? Who does he thank when he's profoundly grateful? Yes, keep her away from Dawkins for the time being. He strikes me as one those people whose venomous proseltysing is indeed as dangerous as that which he chooses to attack. In 2000 years when he's nothing but stardust a generation will look back on his books and possibly think that what he wrote then was indeed so old gospel. :-D

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      The thing that amuses me about Dawkins is how he has to guard every word he speaks in public. If he got kicked in the doo-dahs would he collapse to the floor screaming "Oh, God." or spit out "Jesus Christ" if he stubbed his toe on something? Who does he thank when he's profoundly grateful? Yes, keep her away from Dawkins for the time being. He strikes me as one those people whose venomous proseltysing is indeed as dangerous as that which he chooses to attack. In 2000 years when he's nothing but stardust a generation will look back on his books and possibly think that what he wrote then was indeed so old gospel. :-D

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      He is already stardust, we all are. Hopefully in 200 years, never mind 2000, humanity will have thrown off the shackles of religion and embraced knowledge and enlightenment.

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      • G GuyThiebaut

        I agree with what you are saying however I don't want to alienate my niece. Religion and even science itself can be such an emotionally charged area that I feel it is best for her to come to her own conclusions. If she reads the science books carefully the only conclusion she will be able to come to is that the only true god is the flying spaghetti monster - ramen!

        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

        ― Christopher Hitchens

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        Dalek Dave
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        Blessed be his Noodly Appendage!

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          He is already stardust, we all are. Hopefully in 200 years, never mind 2000, humanity will have thrown off the shackles of religion and embraced knowledge and enlightenment.

          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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          Septimus Hedgehog
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          My limited knowledge of history suggests they've probably been saying that for over 2000 years already. The prospect of me containing elements from one of Hitler's or Dubya Bush's farts makes me shudder. I don't know how old you are but you could be made from one of mine. There should be a sticker on your forehead: "Warning, this human contains trace elements from PHS241." :)

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          • G GuyThiebaut

            Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

            “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

            ― Christopher Hitchens

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            Andy Brummer
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            It's not exactly "science", but I love David Macaulay's books. David Macaulay on Amazon[^]

            Curvature of the Mind now with 3D

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Please no! Dawkins is as fanatical as the Sky Pixies Fanciers he spends his entire time ridiculing. Let her decide for herself - his rabid atheism is as bad as the unthinking fanaticism he protests.

              Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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              Rob Grainger
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              I disagree, true, he can go on a bit, but at least his belief system is based on a foundation of science and logic.

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              • G GuyThiebaut

                Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                I highly recommend Cosmos by Carl Sagan. It's a classic. It's very accessible. I read through it when I was 12 or 14. Carl Sagan gives a narrative that is a combination of wonderment and scientific presentation. Just what a young scientist needs. There is an accompanying video series. Get the hardback, you want this one to last. I still have my original copy. I dont really know how dated Cosmos is anymore. Of course technology has changed the way we see things but the questions remain the same. We can observe things much better now which actually makes his questions more relavent. Please tell me you will get this one. * * * * * * * * Now, Dawkins is anything but slight, lol. he's an out and out bigot when it comes to religion. I was fascinated by the Selfish Gene and curious enough to read the God Delusion. I came away disgusted by his tone.

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                • G GuyThiebaut

                  Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                  “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                  ― Christopher Hitchens

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                  Dr Walt Fair PE
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                  When I was a kid, the books that actually inspired me most were by Andre Norton, Robert Heinlein, Lester Delrey. Dreaming about how things could be inspired me to learn more about math and science.

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                  • G GuyThiebaut

                    Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                    Narud Shiro
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                    Personally I think that Jules Verne books and Isaac Asimov books and essays are still a must for everyone who have an inner joy for science :cool:

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                    • G GuyThiebaut

                      Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      rhoward
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                      They are not technically science books, but if you can lay your hands on some original Tom Swift Jr. hardback books by Victor Appleton, they can really inspire a kids mind!

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                      • G GuyThiebaut

                        Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                        ― Christopher Hitchens

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                        GuyThiebaut wrote:

                        In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^]

                        I'm not familiar with it but probably a good choice.

                        GuyThiebaut wrote:

                        and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced.

                        IMHO you may have gone to far in the other direction - a little beneath a bright child that age. An old but a goodie that I cut my teeth on at around that age is "One Two Three . . . Infinity: Facts and Speculations of Science"[^], by George Gamow.

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                        • G GuyThiebaut

                          Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                          “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                          ― Christopher Hitchens

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                          Clarence Hemeon
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                          Isaac Asimov has written some great books on science. They cover all different topics. Take a look at them.

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                          • G GuyThiebaut

                            Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                            “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                            ― Christopher Hitchens

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                            I know you already picked a book, but may I recommend one? The Dancing Universe[^] It's a great read even for people that are not aspiring scientist. It has a great tale of the origins of science (and religion in the sense of when things were not comprehended) and mentions the great names of science throug the history up to Plato. I know that when I started it I couldn't stop. It's not a difficult read and can be challenging at some points. To me this is the book that better explained relativity in a way common people could actually understand it.

                            "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia

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                            • G GuyThiebaut

                              Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                              “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                              ― Christopher Hitchens

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                              PaulPeterson
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                              Check out WhyIsEverything.com and the associated book that my chief scientist and I wrote. Later, Paul

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                                Check out WhyIsEverything.com and the associated book that my chief scientist and I wrote. Later, Paul

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                                largenqcd
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                                One Two Three Infinity is great, if quite a bit dated. Look for books with simple experiments that a child can do; I had one of "101 Experiments for Young Scientists,' something like that. If you can, sit with her and teach her math and science that you think are a bit too advanced for her age. That's what my mother did with me, and I ended up with a Ph. D in physics, I think in no small part because of that help at an early age. Please no Dawkins; but I am biased, being a religious man. Electronics sets, chemistry sets (IF there are any good ones left to buy, I never see any), telescopes and microscopes, whichever she is interested in. Good luck, good for you to want to help! Tom

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                                • G GuyThiebaut

                                  Can anyone offer any recommendations of a science(I know that is a very broad and nebulous term) book to buy as a present for a my niece who is 11 and is just starting to very much get interested in science? I heard she came top of her school year in all subjects so I would want to get her something which is a little bit of a challenge to read - whilst at the same time not being too abstract(anything by Dawkins is probably not a good idea due to a slight religious leaning...) Thanks in advance [Edit] In the end I went for the book by Bill Nye[^] and a year's subscription to National Geographic Kids magazine[^] after my sister informed me that New Scientist may be too advanced. So thanks for all the suggestions and I am sure the ones that I did not follow up I will keep in mind at some later date when my niece is older. :thumbsup:

                                  “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                                  I can't recall the title, but I've an excellent book by Isac Asimov that explains science in easy to understand terms, starting from the origin of the universe - through the atronomers that discovered various aspects - to the chemistry, and how the periodic table works and why. The front cover has a purplish picture of the cosmos.

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