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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    France's future: A country in denial[^] An interesting article talking about the upcoming elections in France and the possible impact on both the country and Europe. If many ran from the bond markets and the educated young did leave then France would be in serious trouble and could not expect Germany and the rest of Europe to prop it up: there simply isn't enough money to do that though I'm sure they won't balk at printing all they need!

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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      France's future: A country in denial[^] An interesting article talking about the upcoming elections in France and the possible impact on both the country and Europe. If many ran from the bond markets and the educated young did leave then France would be in serious trouble and could not expect Germany and the rest of Europe to prop it up: there simply isn't enough money to do that though I'm sure they won't balk at printing all they need!

      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      Sounds like the United States.

      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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        Sounds like the United States.

        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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        R Giskard Reventlov
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        I hope not!

        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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          France's future: A country in denial[^] An interesting article talking about the upcoming elections in France and the possible impact on both the country and Europe. If many ran from the bond markets and the educated young did leave then France would be in serious trouble and could not expect Germany and the rest of Europe to prop it up: there simply isn't enough money to do that though I'm sure they won't balk at printing all they need!

          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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          Single Step Debugger
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          It’s sounds a little like the author of the article first has chosen his position(France economy is going to collapse) and then start gathering facts supporting his theory, not the other way around. I mean all the things he is talking about are not resent development. The high GDP\debt ratio, high taxes, some ethnical issues, high unemployment rates compared to US are there from some time; as the author admits – from 30 years, then why now? Why it’s going to go belly up now?

          There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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            It’s sounds a little like the author of the article first has chosen his position(France economy is going to collapse) and then start gathering facts supporting his theory, not the other way around. I mean all the things he is talking about are not resent development. The high GDP\debt ratio, high taxes, some ethnical issues, high unemployment rates compared to US are there from some time; as the author admits – from 30 years, then why now? Why it’s going to go belly up now?

            There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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            R Giskard Reventlov
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            Deyan Georgiev wrote:

            Why it’s going to go belly up now?

            Because conditions/the situation in Europe is ripe for it, because French politics is almost driving towards it and because Sarkozy is a really short man. :-)

            "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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              It’s sounds a little like the author of the article first has chosen his position(France economy is going to collapse) and then start gathering facts supporting his theory, not the other way around. I mean all the things he is talking about are not resent development. The high GDP\debt ratio, high taxes, some ethnical issues, high unemployment rates compared to US are there from some time; as the author admits – from 30 years, then why now? Why it’s going to go belly up now?

              There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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              Other things that the author of the article has decided beforehand: public spending is bad, taxes are bad, GDP is significant, GDP growth is necessary and desirable, etc... More importantly, he has decided that austerity is the way to go, although it has a very bad track record vs recession. I'm not saying what most presidential candidates are proposing is good, they are locked into old systems and bring nothing new to the table (protectionism, xenophobia, tax cuts/tax raises, reverting to old systems, etc...). But on the other hand, the author doesn't have public interest in mind, or is too deeply biased to understand it.

              'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Why do you think I've got this outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                Why it’s going to go belly up now?

                Because conditions/the situation in Europe is ripe for it, because French politics is almost driving towards it and because Sarkozy is a really short man. :-)

                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                I just fired my fortuneteller, are you interested from the position? :)

                There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                • R R Giskard Reventlov

                  Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                  Why it’s going to go belly up now?

                  Because conditions/the situation in Europe is ripe for it, because French politics is almost driving towards it and because Sarkozy is a really short man. :-)

                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                  mark merrens wrote:

                  Sarkozy is a really short man.

                  Be afraid, be very afraid. :~ The last short French leader who wasn't actually French marched his armies all over Europe. :suss: :laugh:

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                    Other things that the author of the article has decided beforehand: public spending is bad, taxes are bad, GDP is significant, GDP growth is necessary and desirable, etc... More importantly, he has decided that austerity is the way to go, although it has a very bad track record vs recession. I'm not saying what most presidential candidates are proposing is good, they are locked into old systems and bring nothing new to the table (protectionism, xenophobia, tax cuts/tax raises, reverting to old systems, etc...). But on the other hand, the author doesn't have public interest in mind, or is too deeply biased to understand it.

                    'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Why do you think I've got this outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    Never have guessed you are French! :) I'd stand by the article: it makes sense and Sarkozy is very short (actually, anyone under 5'11" is short :-))

                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      Never have guessed you are French! :) I'd stand by the article: it makes sense and Sarkozy is very short (actually, anyone under 5'11" is short :-))

                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      Well it does make sense. I agree with the problems, not the solutions.

                      'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Why do you think I've got this outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                        I hope not!

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                        I hope not, as well. But unless we get our financial house in order in the next 2 or 3 years, which is looking more and more doubtful by the day, we'll be worse off than Greece.

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                          Well it does make sense. I agree with the problems, not the solutions.

                          'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Why do you think I've got this outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          Did you notice that all the problems are associated with government? Government is the problem. Less government is the solution.

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                            Did you notice that all the problems are associated with government? Government is the problem. Less government is the solution.

                            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                            R Giskard Reventlov
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                            Elephant-Yeh, man!

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                              Did you notice that all the problems are associated with government? Government is the problem. Less government is the solution.

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                              Could you explain how a 7% minimum unemployment over 10-15 years is associated with government and solved by less government? Less government = more predators. Do you still believe in the Invisible Hand?

                              'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Why do you think I've got this outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                                Could you explain how a 7% minimum unemployment over 10-15 years is associated with government and solved by less government? Less government = more predators. Do you still believe in the Invisible Hand?

                                'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Why do you think I've got this outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                                Julien Villers wrote:

                                Could you explain how a 7% minimum unemployment

                                Simple: over-regulation, putting up gov't barriers-to-entry, over-taxation of business, gov't demands that every business supply a bunch of "social" programs, etc means that business has less money to hire and pay people. Yes, less overall gov't = predators. I'm not calling for less enforcement of law, I'm calling for less "socialism". What is the "Invisible Hand"? /edit/ Yes, I do believe in the invisible hand to some degree. I also believe the Gov't is there to protect the little guy against the big guy.

                                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                  Could you explain how a 7% minimum unemployment over 10-15 years is associated with government and solved by less government? Less government = more predators. Do you still believe in the Invisible Hand?

                                  'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Why do you think I've got this outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                                  The sole function of government is to protect life, liberty and property. Any more than this is usurpation and oppression.

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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